Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Are they all as dystopian as Clockwork Orange?

Brexit party MEPs turn backs on Ode to Joy at European parliament
Nigel Farage faces wall with party members for European anthem on opening day
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/02/brexit-party-meps-turn-their-backs-european-anthem-ode-to-joy

Anyone got some really FO big speakers and know where NF lives? Shame for the neighbours...

Be embraced, Millions!
This kiss to all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Are you collapsing, millions?
Do you sense the creator, world?
Seek him above the starry canopy!
Above stars must He dwell.

 

[Fingers]

Are they all as dystopian as Clockwork Orange?

Brexit party MEPs turn backs on Ode to Joy at European parliament
Nigel Farage faces wall with party members for European anthem on opening day
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/02/brexit-party-meps-turn-their-backs-european-anthem-ode-to-joy

Anyone got some really FO big speakers and know where NF lives? Shame for the neighbours...

Be embraced, Millions!
This kiss to all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Are you collapsing, millions?
Do you sense the creator, world?
Seek him above the starry canopy!
Above stars must He dwell.

How embarrassing to everyone.

Maybe they though they were at a Polish football match?

Anything else is too lame to consider.

 

[Danidl]

How embarrassing to everyone.

Maybe they though they were at a Polish football match?

Anything else is too lame to consider.

Now they have shown their true colours. The Ode to Joy is one of the pinnacles of western culture.. up there in my opinion with the Periodic Table of the Elements,and Bach's Air on a G string

 

[50Hertz]

Ha!. Showing your youth again?. The Physics labs in my college had a few of these mechanical beasties ,by Olivetti,if memory serves .We were required to use them for the statistics of a Brownian walk... They would do addition, squaring,and summing the squares,

Yes, you’ve reminded me, they were Olivetti machines. They had been in use in the department I worked in for a while, The Stress Department. We did a lot of finite element stress calculations.

 

[oldgroaner]

How embarrassing to everyone.

Maybe they though they were at a Polish football match?

Anything else is too lame to consider.

How embarassing to the reputation of this nation of ours to be represented by morons.

 

[oldgroaner]

I see Farage resorted to his usual threats
"“Now we have two contenders telling us whatever happens, come hell or high water we are leaving on the 31 October,” he said. “I don’t believe a word they say but I will give them this warning: if they don’t deliver Brexit on that date they are toast and then we will then see a turquoise takeover.”
Somehow I think he is in for a disappointment there

Logically, whichever way it goes

If Brexit happens the BXP will be out of a job, and they can forget being elected here, for who needs them their reason for existence is gone.

If Brexit doesn't happen, the Government will disown them and they will be objects of derision in the EU parliament anyway, being a large mob of layabouts and nutters will guarantee that, especially after this stupid display of contempt,.
Already the other Eurosceptic Groups in the EU parliament have disowned Farage as a leader, and will treat them as spoiled goods. For failing their cause and capping it with this performance.

 

[oldgroaner]

Are they all as dystopian as Clockwork Orange?

Brexit party MEPs turn backs on Ode to Joy at European parliament
Nigel Farage faces wall with party members for European anthem on opening day
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/02/brexit-party-meps-turn-their-backs-european-anthem-ode-to-joy

Anyone got some really FO big speakers and know where NF lives? Shame for the neighbours...

Be embraced, Millions!
This kiss to all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Are you collapsing, millions?
Do you sense the creator, world?
Seek him above the starry canopy!
Above stars must He dwell.

Don't worry, they just made a fundamentally flawed gesture that will prove mortal to their party in the end.
Imagine if they ever got into power here, what nation would want to make Trade deals with a nation in the thrall of creatures like that?
But let's be Fair the Lib Dems were off their heads to pull a stunt like those shirts too!
So pretty much the majority of our MEPs should be ashamed of themselves tonight
IMHO for behaving so badly.

 

[oldgroaner]

They get stranger every day in the Sun
"TAKE BACK CONTROL Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party MEPs turn their backs on EU Parliament as they are sworn in three years after leave vote
Why did they "Swear in" when they don't have to?
Now that is going to be hard to explain
The Spanish are different
"The 54 MEPs-elect in Spain were summoned to take the constitutional oath on Monday in the Spanish Congress in Madrid, a step made compulsory by the Spanish electoral authority (JEC) in order to take up their seats in the European Parliament on 2 July in Strasbourg..
About time we did the same thing and committed anyone going to the Euro parliament to actually do some work on our behalf.

Quite baffling that in a nation where Parliament calls itself sovereign, it lets any old villain form a faction in a duplicate "UK Government" loose in the EU Parliament completely outside it's control,paid for by the highest bidder to work mischief
So in effect there are two separate Governments, one internal and the other with no mandated manifesto doing what what the hell it likes, not under the control of the real Government, acting in it's own interests, assisted by a deafening silence in the media apart from Farage and his propaganda output
And here we see the Spanish Government is far smarter than that!
Unlike us they really have "Taken back control"
Why did our government not do the same?

 

[Danidl]

They get stranger every day in the Sun
"TAKE BACK CONTROL Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party MEPs turn their backs on EU Parliament as they are sworn in three years after leave vote
Why did they "Swear in" when they don't have to?
Now that is going to be hard to explain
The Spanish are different
"The 54 MEPs-elect in Spain were summoned to take the constitutional oath on Monday in the Spanish Congress in Madrid, a step made compulsory by the Spanish electoral authority (JEC) in order to take up their seats in the European Parliament on 2 July in Strasbourg..
About time we did the same thing and committed anyone going to the Euro parliament to actually do some work on our behalf.

Quite baffling that in a nation where Parliament calls itself sovereign, it lets any old villain form a faction in a duplicate "UK Government" loose in the EU Parliament completely outside it's control,paid for by the highest bidder to work mischief
So in effect there are two separate Governments, one internal and the other with no mandated manifesto doing what what the hell it likes, not under the control of the real Government, acting in it's own interests, assisted by a deafening silence in the media apart from Farage and his propaganda output
And here we see the Spanish Government is far smarter than that!
Unlike us they really have "Taken back control"
Why did our government not do the same?

It am going to take a different view on the Catalonian situation than you. It is a long established right that Members of Parliaments are free to travel to and from their parliament. Now the decision of the Spanish authorities to require Deputies in the Spanish Parliament to swear an oath to uphold the Spanish Constitution is very reasonable. But these people are not representatives of the Spanish State and they are not in the Spanish Parliament .. they are representives of the people properly elected of Catalonia. And going to their place of work in Europe. I see this initially as infringing two of the four fundamental freedoms of the EU..and maybe more, in that the right of free movement of diplomats is even longer standing.
Simply this must be a case for the ECJ, as a State ,is claiming sovereignty over a matter in which they have presumably accepted joint authority.

 

[Woosh]

The Spanish are different
"The 54 MEPs-elect in Spain were summoned to take the constitutional oath on Monday in the Spanish Congress in Madrid, a step made compulsory by the Spanish electoral authority (JEC) in order to take up their seats in the European Parliament on 2 July in Strasbourg..
About time we did the same thing and committed anyone going to the Euro parliament to actually do some work on our behalf.

that's a pretty good idea.
Like SF, the BXP don't have to take up their seats.

 

[oldgroaner]

It am going to take a different view on the Catalonian situation than you. It is a long established right that Members of Parliaments are free to travel to and from their parliament. Now the decision of the Spanish authorities to require Deputies in the Spanish Parliament to swear an oath to uphold the Spanish Constitution is very reasonable. But these people are not representatives of the Spanish State and they are not in the Spanish Parliament .. they are representives of the people properly elected of Catalonia. And going to their place of work in Europe. I see this initially as infringing two of the four fundamental freedoms of the EU..and maybe more, in that the right of free movement of diplomats is even longer standing.
Simply this must be a case for the ECJ, as a State ,is claiming sovereignty over a matter in which they have presumably accepted joint authority.

I think you missed my point, and it was nothing whatsoever to do with Catalonia.
It was to do with making MEPs responsible for acting on behalf of the country they were elected to represent.
I have not expresed an opinion on the catalonian situation in the past or indeed today
My comment was entirely concerned with making our MEP's responsible to work on our behalf nothing more, nothing less.

 

[oldgroaner]

farage caught lying again

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1146029416809734146

 

[oldgroaner]

This is where hands are thrown up in horror at the words "Al Jazeera"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1145805683012624385

 

[50Hertz]

If Brexit doesn't happen, the Government will disown them and they will be objects of derision in the EU parliament anyway, being a large mob of layabouts and nutters will guarantee that, especially after this stupid display of contempt,.
Already the other Eurosceptic Groups in the EU parliament have disowned Farage as a leader, and will treat them as spoiled goods. For failing their cause and capping it with this performance.

I’m not sure I follow your logic here. Could you expand on your explanation please?

 

[oldgroaner]

I’m not sure I follow your logic here. Could you expand on your explanation please?

Which part wasn't clear?

If we leave the EU the Brexit party instantly has no MEP's and no reason to exist, and who is going to back them with the big money they need to exist for any other reason?

If we discard Brexit the BXP has no hope of Brexit buoying it up in this country, it is back to square one, a voice in the wilderness
All it can show for it's effort is failure, and since it achieved nothing last time with only four less seats, with such a fundamental defeat behind it it will not impress either enemies or would be supporters.
Already Farage has been displaced as leader or the Eurosceptic group in the Euro parliament and with the defeat of Brexit, they are not going to replace their new front man with a proven loser are they?


Do you see this differently?

 

[oldgroaner]

Good news folks!
ttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/tax-funded-research-by-rees-moggs-erg-must-be-released-tribunal-rules/
Tax-funded research by Rees-Mogg’s ERG must be released, tribunal rules

Long-running openDemocracy investigation sees ruling that the public has a right to see research produced by the pro-Brexit European Research Group.

Now at last we shall see the wonders that await us after Brexit, revealed in all their glory

Better than Christmas! I can hardly wait!

 

[Danidl]

I think you missed my point, and it was nothing whatsoever to do with Catalonia.
It was to do with making MEPs responsible for acting on behalf of the country they were elected to represent.
I have not expresed an opinion on the catalonian situation in the past or indeed today
My comment was entirely concerned with making our MEP's responsible to work on our behalf nothing more, nothing less.

Actually I think you have got it wrong. And misunderstood the seriousness of my point . the MEP for Clacton .. wherever that is , represents the people of Clacton not of Edinburgh (i am assuming that Clacton is not a suburb of Edinburgh). It is an impertinence for the local central government to insist on preconditions. The Clacton electorate can make a judgement on that MEPs performance in due course.
I am not identifying with either the rights of the Catalans or the Central government of Spain to self determination..that is a separate question.

 

[Fingers]

Gerald is having a meltdown.

Must be the heat....

 

[Fingers]

Which part wasn't clear?

If we leave the EU the Brexit party instantly has no MEP's and no reason to exist, and who is going to back them with the big money they need to exist for any other reason?

If we discard Brexit the BXP has no hope of Brexit buoying it up in this country, it is back to square one, a voice in the wilderness
All it can show for it's effort is failure, and since it achieved nothing last time with only four less seats, with such a fundamental defeat behind it it will not impress either enemies or would be supporters.
Already Farage has been displaced as leader or the Eurosceptic group in the Euro parliament and with the defeat of Brexit, they are not going to replace their new front man with a proven loser are they?


Do you see this differently?

They have more money than the conservatives.

They have a leader more popular than all three of the main parties put together.

They are leading the polls in ge voting intention.

Anything else you need adding up just let me know.

 

[oldgroaner]

Actually I think you have got it wrong. And misunderstood the seriousness of my point . the MEP for Clacton .. wherever that is , represents the people of Clacton not of Edinburgh (i am assuming that Clacton is not a suburb of Edinburgh). It is an impertinence for the local central government to insist on preconditions. The Clacton electorate can make a judgement on that MEPs performance in due course.
I am not identifying with either the rights of the Catalans or the Central government of Spain to self determination..that is a separate question.

And I am not suggesting that the Member for Clacton does any other than agree to work diligently in the pusuit of the interests of ALL of the people they represent, which means unlike Farage they actually WORK, and in that process not act as SABOTEURS to any organisation that this country has signed treaties with, but engage fully in striving to improve it.
The local Government is allegedly Sovereign and setting preconditions of due diligence and non destructive heaviour on MEP's should hardly cramp anyone's style.

And what logic gives you an independent organisation determining policy towards the EU if it contradicts treaties made by the official government?

We would be better off not having a local government at all and giving all power to the EU