Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Led by donkeys are back

Incredibly one the faithful tweeted this
[B]Viv Jones[/B]‏ @[B]vivjones10[/B] 14h14 hours ago



Replying to @[B]ByDonkeys[/B] @[B]Nigel_Farage[/B]

This is an absolute lie. I hope Nigel sues you for defamation!

How can anyone be so incapable of verifying the facts?

 

[50Hertz]

no, delaying is the best way to tell the electorate that it can't be done.

They won’t believe it. Trust between the electorate and the people is gone. Trust has been squandered. People are desperate to find something which they believe represents them, and they think that something is Nigel Farage. They are completely wrong, but they are desperate and blinkered. Parliament is to blame.

 

[Woosh]

They won’t believe it. Trust between the electorate and the people is gone. Trust has been squandered. People are desperate to find something which they believe represents them, and they think that something is Nigel Farage. They are completely wrong, but they are desperate and blinkered. Parliament is to blame.

those who think that they can't trust the politicians will stop voting.
Mainstream media talk up the BXP at the moment but they don't change a thing, other than raking in donations for the CEO, Mr Farage.
If you look at those who vote for his party, they come from UKIP and conservatives. The total number of brexiters and remainers don't change because of Mr Farage.
If a second referendum is called tomorrow, the polls give 54/46 to remain.
If Farage contests in the next GE, he may keep ex-UKIP voters but not conservative voters.

 

[Woosh]

JC has called off talk with the conservatives.

Dear Prime Minister,

I am writing to let you know that I believe the talks between us about finding a compromise agreement on leaving the European Union have now gone as far as they can.

I would like to put on record that the talks have been conducted in good faith on both sides and thank those involved for their efforts to find common ground.

The talks have been detailed, constructive and have involved considerable effort for both our teams.

However, it has become clear that, while there are some areas where compromise has been possible, we have been unable to bridge important policy gaps between us.

Even more crucially, the increasing weakness and instability of your government means there cannot be confidence in securing whatever might be agreed between us.

As I said when we met on Tuesday evening, there has been growing concern in both the shadow cabinet and parliamentary Labour Party about the government’s ability to deliver on any compromise agreement.

As you have been setting out your decision to stand down and cabinet ministers are competing to succeed you, the position of the government has become ever more unstable and its authority eroded. Not infrequently, proposals by your negotiating team have been publicly contradicted by statements from other members of the cabinet.

In recent days we have heard senior cabinet ministers reject any form of customs union, regardless of proposals made by government negotiators. And despite assurances we have been given on protection of environmental, food and animal welfare standards, the international trade secretary has confirmed that importing chlorinated chicken as part of a US trade deal remains on the table.

After six weeks of talks, it is only right that the Government now wishes again to test the will of parliament, and we will carefully consider any proposals the government wishes to bring forward to break the Brexit deadlock.

However, I should reiterate that, without significant changes, we will continue to oppose the government’s deal as we do not believe it safeguards jobs, living standards and manufacturing industry in Britain.

Yours sincerely,

Jeremy Corbyn

 

[vfr400]

I’ve just seen a group of old codgers (who will probably be dead in two months time) on the news wittering on about the lack of Brexit. One said she thought Theresa May was a marvellous Home Secretary, but a poor Prime Minister because she’s not got us out of the EU. Sums up that old duffer’s judgement nicely.

It must be great to be so righteous. Unfortunately, it's not going to help you.

 

[vfr400]

The Daily Mail front paged the scandal of Farage's Finance by Banks
The readers comments either reflect the views of bots or in many cases morons
heres a sample
"Here we go again. Trying to rubbish a politician just because he's popular. Let's hope the people ignore all this rubbish and use their vote wisely."

"Fantastic Investment as is our £25 pounds"

"I don't care about his private expenses, vote Brexit !!"

"So what ? If someone wants to help a friend who¿s business is that? Nigel Farage is an honest man, loyal to his wife, children and County. Don¿t try to discredit someone of the highest integrity"

"Well done Mr Banks, a true patriot, not many left"

"At least it was donor's money!!! Not taxpayers!!! Do you remember CaMoroon spending 9 MILLION taxpayers money!"

I can't resist pointing out that Cameron was required by law to spend that money.

As can be seen there is as I said before no sense whatever in trying to reason with brexit voters, the lights may be on but no ones home.

What a nation, the only one in the world where you can put your name down to be mugged, gloat as you are, and then be stupid enough to boast about it!

You're certainly living up to your name. What's the matter, still missing your mate Robdon? I wonder what happened to her?

You know, you can't trust these dirty newspaper reporters, and I expect that also applies to guys that use dirty tactics on internet forums too. You just can't trust them!

 

[vfr400]

Unfortunately, when he’s viewed against the current backdrop of imbeciles, retards, quota fillers and incompetent people filling government positions, he looks very appealing. It’s a big problem.

First sensible thing you've written.

 

[vfr400]

They won’t believe it. Trust between the electorate and the people is gone. Trust has been squandered. People are desperate to find something which they believe represents them, and they think that something is Nigel Farage. They are completely wrong, but they are desperate and blinkered. Parliament is to blame.

They don't care. Anything will be better than more of the same. Hopefully, soon we'll have heros like Tommy Robinson in parliament. That's if there isn't a dictator coup first.

 

[50Hertz]

It must be great to be so righteous. Unfortunately, it's not going to help you.

It's not being righteous, it's looking at the facts.

Theresa May was the worst Home Secretary in history. She made numerous poor decisions that has resulted in a severely damaged police service which is not coping. This was despite her being advised and warned about the consequences of her actions. Virtually everything she was warned about has happened.

The point I was making was that the old codger viewed Theresa May as a successful Home Secretary. She wasn't, she was terrible, the Police, Windrush, Border Force, the list goes on and on. Theresa May is a complete failure in all walks of life. Therefore, the old codger has severely flawed judgement, which is proven by her views on Theresa May. That flawed judgement then calls into question whether the old codger's view that Brexit is a desirable proposition, is a good one. That's all, nothing righteous in that. (Try saying my statement is racist or Islamophobic, that seems to be the current fashionable technique to close down discussion.)

 

[vfr400]

It's not being righteous, it's looking at the facts.

Theresa May was the worst Home Secretary in history. She made numerous poor decisions that has resulted in a severely damaged police service which is not coping. This was despite her being advised and warned about the consequences of her actions. Virtually everything she was warned about has happened.

The point I was making was that the old codger viewed Theresa May as a successful Home Secretary. She wasn't, she was terrible, the Police, Windrush, Border Force, the list goes on and on. Theresa May is a complete failure in all walks of life. Therefore, the old codger has severely flawed judgement, which is proven by her views on Theresa May. That flawed judgement then calls into question whether the old codger's view that Brexit is a desirable proposition, is a good one. That's all, nothing righteous in that. (Try saying my statement is racist or Islamophobic, that seems to be the current fashionable technique to close down discussion.)

Great comment, and very nicely written, but it's all in vain. The six people reading this aren't going to change anything.

 

[flecc]

The point I was making was that the old codger viewed Theresa May as a successful Home Secretary. She wasn't, she was terrible, the Police, Windrush, Border Force, the list goes on and on. Theresa May is a complete failure in all walks of life.

We only have to remember that she appointed Chris Grayling as Transport Secretary three years ago to know how flawed her own judgement was

Therefore, the old codger has severely flawed judgement, which is proven by her views on Theresa May.

Indeed, though perhaps understandable when she and May share the same flawed judgement, one also shared by vfr400 as his hero worship of the ignorant fascist yob "Tommy Robinson" shows.
.

 

[flecc]

Great comment, and very nicely written, but it's all in vain. The six people reading this aren't going to change anything.

So why are you proselytising for "Tommy Robinson" repeatedly and at length, if it's so ineffective?
.

 

[50Hertz]

Great comment, and very nicely written, but it's all in vain. The six people reading this aren't going to change anything.

I didn't say it would change anything. Where did that come from?

 

[vfr400]

So why are you proselytising for "Tommy Robinson" repeatedly and at length, if it's so ineffective?
.

Because he's going to save us all. Why else?

 

[vfr400]

Latest Yougov survey. I think the Brexit party are going to do quite well despite what a rotten person Nigel Farage is according to you lot. People must like voting for rotten people if that poll is anywhere near right.

Labour and Tories lose majority of support to Brexit protest | YouGov

YouGov takes a detailed look at voting groups ahead of the EU Parliament elections

yougov.co.uk

 

[Woosh]

Latest Yougov survey. I think the Brexit party are going to do quite well despite what a rotten person Nigel Farage is according to you lot. People must like voting for rotten people if that poll is anywhere near right.

a week is a long time in the current political climate.
Day after day, the past catches up with Mr Farage.
After all, TM is going to be replaced by a 'proper brexiteer' - those who say they'll vote for Farage may just as well stay at home and wait for that 'proper brexiteer' to leave with no deal or vote conservative on the day.

 

[vfr400]

a week is a long time in the current political climate.
Day after day, the past catches up with Mr Farage.
who knows if people who say they are going to vote for the BXP would be bothered to go out to vote on the day.

Yes, but Brexit party has risen substantially since the last poll a week ago. His party has become more popular every day since it started. It's the same with Tommy Robinson's news channel, which increases its membership by at least 3.5% every week since it started.

 

[daveboy]

a week is a long time in the current political climate.
Day after day, the past catches up with Mr Farage.
After all, TM is going to be replaced by a 'proper brexiteer' - those who say they'll vote for Farage may just as well stay at home and wait for that 'proper brexiteer' to leave with no deal or vote conservative on the day.

I was thinking the opposite …..Are the Labour and Conservative voters going to bother knowing they are going to get hammered ?
The Brexit voters are outraged enough to make the effort and the lib dems will do ok for the remain side.

 

[Woosh]

Yes, but Brexit party has risen substantially since the last poll a week ago. His party has become more popular every day since it started. It's the same with Tommy Robinson's news channel, which increases its membership by at least 3.5% every week since it started.

you know the internet as well as I do, people in the backroom create trending.
your best bet is to use poll of polls as indicator and follow its momentum until Wednesday.
The landscape is now different since TM accepts to step down in the very near future.
She alone drives conservative voters to Farage's enterprise because everyone can see that her deal is worse than remain.
Now her deal is gone, the battle is straightforward between no deal and remain, there is no justification to vote for Farage.

 

[Woosh]

I was thinking the opposite …..Are the Labour and Conservative voters going to bother knowing they are going to get hammered ?
The Brexit voters are outraged enough to make the effort and the lib dems will do ok for the remain side.

usually previous losers are more motivated to go out and vote, especially if they did not vote in the 2016 EU Ref.
Those who voted out would have no interest in voting in an EU election.