Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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Except that he included the word "even", which infers that he wouldn't go that far even if she were worthy of it.
you are splitting unpleasant hairs. speaking as if rape could be acceptable. this is imitating trump style hate speech, carefully phrasing misogyny, racism in innuendo so it becomes semantically defensible. this establishes an increasingly hate fueled norm that suits populists. It is even more disturbing than it seems.
Yoda's saying about fear being the path to the dark side comes to mind (fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering)
 

oldgroaner

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You can't switch from being Liberal to Conservative, He must have been Conservative to start with (on the inside) Like Tony Blair.
One of the problems these days is that people do not know the history of their own country, and here is a classic case for you
Churchill did it twice
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/changing-parties/
Party rat? Churchill has long been criticized for switching political parties (“ratting” in Parliamentary terms), which he did not once but twice. He left the Conservatives (Tories) for the Liberals in 1904, only to rejoin the Conservatives in 1925.
 

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One of the problems these days is that people do not know the history of their own country, and here is a classic case for you
Churchill did it twice
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/changing-parties/
Party rat? Churchill has long been criticized for switching political parties (“ratting” in Parliamentary terms), which he did not once but twice. He left the Conservatives (Tories) for the Liberals in 1904, only to rejoin the Conservatives in 1925.
Read what I put "he was Conservative on the inside"
 
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oldgroaner

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you are splitting unpleasant hairs. speaking as if rape could be acceptable. this is imitating trump style hate speech, carefully phrasing misogyny, racism in innuendo so it becomes semantically defensible. this establishes an increasingly hate fueled norm that suits populists. It is even more disturbing than it seems.
Yoda's saying about fear being the path to the dark side comes to mind (fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering)
The problem now is that there is a tendency for large numbers of people to judge political figures by their flamboyant character rather than their wisdom, and the cult of celebrity clouds their judgement, hence a lying buffoon with no talent for anything like Boris Johnson can achieve wealth and fame and create untold damage to the nation in the process.

And here we are with someone trying to sell a couple of younger no hoper wannabee right wing loony characters as martyrs to a cause.

That the young seem to flock to the cause of reprobates like the ones being discussed here is a consequence of the media glamorising their anti social behaviour and actions, as the young who feel ignored and powerless are drawn to anyone who is revolting.
And I use that word advisedly.
 

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This is a direct quote from Oyster.

Possible inference, indeed, one that is hard to avoid, is that he would rape her if she were attractive to him.
Do you understand the meaning of the words possible and inference?
Possible
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that may exist or happen, but that is not certain or probable.

Inference

"Inferences are steps in reasoning, moving from premises to logical consequences; etymologically, the word infer means to "carry forward". Inference is theoretically traditionally divided into deduction and induction, a distinction that in Europe dates at least to Aristotle. Wikipedia
 

oldgroaner

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You can't switch from being Liberal to Conservative, He must have been Conservative to start with (on the inside) Like Tony Blair.
You posted this
"You can't switch from being Liberal to Conservative, "
It was as I proved incorrect.
"He must have been Conservative to start with (on the inside) Like Tony Blair."
Is not factual, just a supposition , though I do believe like you Blair was always a Conservative both inside and outside.
 
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You posted this
"You can't switch from being Liberal to Conservative, "
It was as I proved incorrect.
"He must have been Conservative to start with (on the inside) Like Tony Blair."
Is not factual, just a supposition , though I do believe like you Blair was always a Conservative both inside and outside.
Read it again, it's obvious what I mean.....I am not getting into a 4 page argument with you.
I honestly believe you could argue with your self for days on end … if you want to believe
you "proved yourself correct" I hope it made you very happy.
 

oldgroaner

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Read it again, it's obvious what I mean.....I am not getting into a 4 page argument with you.
I honestly believe you could argue with your self for days on end … if you want to believe
you "proved yourself correct" I hope it made you very happy.
You are fun aren't you? you came on here to create arguments in support of a right wing loony, (no two!) and have argued with everyone who reacted to your posts, and now you are trying the age old blame everyone else for what you are doing with this?
"I honestly believe you could argue with your self for days on end"
perfect description of what you do isn't it?
And your fan boy campaign is actually nothing to do with the thread, just you kidding us along for a laugh.
 
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You are fun aren't you? you came on here to create arguments in support of a right wing loony, (no two!) and have argued with everyone who reacted to your posts, and now you are trying the age old blame everyone else for what you are doing with this?
"I honestly believe you could argue with your self for days on end"
perfect description of what you do isn't it?
And your fan boy campaign is actually nothing to do with the thread, just you kidding us along for a laugh.
Do you understand the meaning of the words possible and inference?
Possible
"

that may exist or happen, but that is not certain or probable.

Inference

"Inferences are steps in reasoning, moving from premises to logical consequences; etymologically, the word infer means to "carry forward". Inference is theoretically traditionally divided into deduction and induction, a distinction that in Europe dates at least to Aristotle. Wikipedia
My original post......

"Oyster inferred That Carl Benjamin would have raped her if she was attractive.".

Do you understand the meaning of inferred ?
 

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Do you understand the meaning of the words possible and inference?
Possible
"

that may exist or happen, but that is not certain or probable.

Inference

"Inferences are steps in reasoning, moving from premises to logical consequences; etymologically, the word infer means to "carry forward". Inference is theoretically traditionally divided into deduction and induction, a distinction that in Europe dates at least to Aristotle. Wikipedia
Also, I have been discussing his words. Those words might say, or imply, things that he would not actually do. But simply using of those words, in the way he has, is vile.
 

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I like this "enough of Brexit let's rebuild Britain instead" seems like a decent plan to me, more details here.
The problem here is you can't have another ref. until the current one is finally carried out and we leave.
If we the UK just ignore it, which as a sovereign country we can then the European Union (Withdrawal) act 2018 would get in the way so would have to be repealed which takes an act of Parliament.
Considering that lot can't agree on anything that seems unlikely.
 

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