With the benefit of brexit i think we are, unfortunately,rapidly realising what we're driving, and what we almost drove it to. Were a bit like a sobering alcoholic at the wheel of a dilapidated dump truck that just realised he narrowly missed a massive bollard.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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We did try and reach out for some reform. We got laughed out of the room. Despite everyone saying we know the EU needs reform.
With video evidence,id be inclined to put you on youtube as a visitor from a parralel world
Oh,like prince philip,this driver will without doubt hand back the licence and apologise, increasingly sincerely. the alternative is as everyone is finally realising,too ghastly to contemplate..
The first step on reform would have been to stop voting in clowns as your EU Reps.To be taken seriously, one must first be creditable,and your representatives,are incredible (not in a good way) It is ludicrous to make the claim that Mr Cameron riding off to Brussels on a white Charger or BA airliner on a whirlwind tour is "reform".. You know it was window dressing.
You havent mentioned a solution to the disconnect throughout Europe. How is that anything to do with UK.
Croatia have MEPs with literally just hundreds of votes representing millions of people,yet somehow EU expect rest of Europe to connect with the white male middle class comissioners.???
Reform starts from within, not by voters or even Cameron.
Examine the baclground of EU supporters. Start on here, then look anywhere. Its endemic at moment.
If the EU will not grant an extension to A50, meaning we are on course to crash out without a deal, which Cooper’s law makes illegal, the way we comply with the new law is to withdraw A50. That’s the only legal mechanism open to us now. So our laws have a very big part to play. I think last night was very significant because it leaves 1) Work out an acceptable way (to the EU) forwards that must involve a deal or 2) Withdraw A50. There is no other way to legally proceed.
The EU has complete control, probably more control over us than at any other time in our history.
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To do that they have to agree to revoke art 50.The indicative vote for that lost by a fair margin.
Berbenburg are still giving No deal 20% chance. (just dropped from 25,but still highest rating)
And to become law HoC has to ratify it, today... I think by rights it must then go back to MPs... But not sure.
I dont think they have time to fully ratify it into law, and besides its silly anyway. Its merely to offset fear. Its actually a barmy thing to be debating now. They should be debating what action to take, not what not to..
You think this lot could stop anything..
Bercow and the fat old lad at back sum it up.
It is the same problem everywhere - bad communication. The EU does not communicate effectively on what it does right. In one way it is encouraging because it means it isn't spending my money in publicity campaigns or whatever but in projects.
Croatia entered the EU in 2013. EU parliamentary elections were held in 2014, that might have something to do with it. The fact that Croatia has been a democracy since the end of Yugoslavia might be another significant factor.
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Agreed Kiwi, but EU election turnouts have dropped to their lowest in 2014,agreed it could be newer members dragging figures down but even major members have seen lower turnouts. Might be different this time, but it might be a shock to Brussels who rolls up. (French will be sending more right wing MEPs to join those already there)
Agreed Kiwi, but EU election turnouts have dropped to their lowest in 2014,agreed it could be newer members dragging figures down but even major members have seen lower turnouts. Might be different this time, but it might be a shock to Brussels who rolls up. (French will be sending more right wing MEPs to join those already there)
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That massive disconnect is the fault of the UK not the EU, and it was deliberate policy
Your analogies are worse than your grammar and syntax.
It's painful.
Is it a dyslexic thing? There are apps that could help you if this is the case.
What that proves is that fascism has reared its horrible head and lots of money driving it.
What a stupid time to be leaving an EU to their mercy, if they become powerful woe betide lonely little GB!
This is what a foolish vote for brexit has brought us to.
It has turned allies and friends into potential enemies
They have just realised what is going to happen. The right and far right are mobilising with the aim of disrupting the project.
The Turkeys have voted for Christmas.
Should have listened to us.
It could be in law by Monday. That law effectively paints them into a corner. If no way forward can be found and we are looking at crashing out, by law they will be compelled to withdraw A50 whether they like it or not.
I think the chance of no deal has now gone.
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The far right have wrought havoc here corrupting the referendum result and you come out with this?
"They should have listened to us?"
And do what exactly?
Make the same mistake we did?
Couldn't find the BS button so just called boring instead. You really are a little BSer aren't you now!
22% is the number for the far right in polls behind the PPE. PPE, social democrats and liberals could easily form a coalition that will govern the EU. What? You are english and you don't know what coalition means? Go and look it up there's a good chap...