Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Chortle of the day from the Express
"Ukip MEP: Britain must reject the 'trap' of Article 50 otherwise we may NEVER leave EU
A LEADING Ukip MEP today branded Article 50 a "trap" as he expressed fears Britain may never leave the EU at all."
He said: "If the European Council or Parliament rejects the final agreement we're back to square one."

He added: "After two years of protracted and painful negotiations we could find ourselves in exactly the same position we started out from. Wanting to leave but with no agreement with the EU."

Mr Batten suggested Article 50 was "created deliberately and precisely in order to delay and prevent any country actually leaving", adding: "Article 50 is a trap".

Well now what are we to make of that?
Here is the truth according to the EU
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/
"The EU Treaties would cease to apply to the UK on the entry into force of a withdrawal agreement or, if no new agreement is concluded, after two years, unless there is unanimous agreement to extend the negotiating period."
Which seems to be clear enough We will be out"
Oh well what can you expect, we have to remember what we are dealing with when the UKIP are involved, a bunch of idiots.
I shall be very disappointed now if we don't come out: the experiment must now go ahead.

How ironic, a vote for Brexit has resulted in us paying for a membership we no longer really have, an uncertain future, and if this UKIP clown is right our only available action to achieve Brexit is to jump out of the lifeboat into a rough sea with no lifebelt and any welcome shore over the horizon.

Time for something inspirational to cheer the Thrilling Mong

"I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game’s afoot:
Follow your spirit; and upon this charge,
Cry ‘God for Brexit! England! and Saint George!'"

And form an orderly Queue at the Food Bank.
(Apologies to the Bard)

 

[trex]

they just want to be sure they can blame someone/something when most people find out that brexit does not deliver on anything. Take immigration for example: 50,000 a year come straight from UN conventions on human rights, the right to family reunion. 33 millions people come here to visit/study/work a year, how are we going to police those who overstay? how are we going to cope with refugees when the border checkpoints are moved to our own territory?

 

[oldgroaner]

they just want to be sure they can blame someone/something when most people find out that brexit does not deliver on anything. Take immigration for example: 50,000 a year come straight from UN conventions on human rights, the right to family reunion. 33 millions people come here to visit/study/work a year, how are we going to police those who overstay? how are we going to cope with refugees when the border checkpoints are moved to our own territory?

It certainly indicates that the Pro leave conspirators in the Tory party and it's muppet UKIP no longer hold to the theory that any advantage can be gained by negotiation by the three Brexiteers AKA the Three Stooges.
And May will do as in the words of a certain failed painter
"My Dear Ernst, you can rely on me to do whatever is expedient"
The night before he had him assasinated.
Frankly I can emote with that idea, but fear that simply repealing the Communities act will be the equivalent of building an impossible barrier between us and Europe: initiating the equivalent of a Cold War, and at the same time cutting our own collective throats with regarding both essential movement of goods and services.
Utter crass stupidity
Should appeal to UKIP and its supporters, naturally, as they are clearly intent in bringing ruin to the nation.

 

[trex]

the brexiters seem to promote democracy ('take back controls') as the top priority in absence of clear ecomonic visions if they have any. Even economists inside the CW have doubts that new trade deals with the CW countries are going to achieve much more than the 9% of our exports to them at the moment. Cheaper NZ lamb? That's what Farage suggested this morning on Marr's show. I wonder what our farmers have to say about that.

 

[tillson]

Don't worry. Trade will continue with the EU on favourable terms and we won't be having to accept the free movement of people.

 

[flecc]

Don't worry. Trade will continue with the EU on favourable terms and we won't be having to accept the free movement of people.

Already made impossible with a bloc of the Eastern EU members agreeing yesterday on a common veto of any such deal.

Remember, any deal has to have the agreement of all the other 27 members. Since some have almost no trading interest with us, that's going to be very difficult even with our full co-operation.

Without it, impossible.
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[tillson]

Something happened last night which made me think of one of the posts on here about being embarrassed to be British.

I'm currently on holiday staying in a tiny village port in Croatia. Roman Abramovich is here and his $500 000 000 yacht Eclipse is moored on the sea front as is Tango another yacht belonging to another Rusian gangster, sorry I mean billionaire. The village over the last week has been very quiet and peaceful.

That was until a north England slag, her Rottweiler husband, useless wild children and another similar couple arrived. All of the adults were pi$$ed and shouting in their comedy, heavily Geordie accented, voices. The hateful children were climbing a statue of some ancient local hero, also shouting and squealing whilst the parents consumed even more alcohol.

I could still hear them at from my room at 1:00 am this morning. I don't know if it's a coincidence but both Eclipse and Tango had left when I got up this morning.

So I suppose the point is, I can now see why someone said they were embarrassed to be British. Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?

Or what about a migrant exchange programme. The U.K. Could accept two new migrants to live and work in the UK if we could export one piece of our garbage in exchange.

 

[flecc]

Something happened last night which made me think of one of the posts on here about being embarrassed to be British.

I'm currently on holiday staying in a tiny village port in Croatia. Roman Abramovich is here and his $500 000 000 yacht Eclipse is moored on the sea front as is Tango another yacht belonging to another Rusian gangster, sorry I mean billionaire. The village over the last week has been very quiet and peaceful.

That was until a north England slag, her Rottweiler husband, useless wild children and another similar couple arrived. All of the adults were pi$$ed and shouting in their comedy, heavily Geordie accented, voices. The hateful children were climbing a statue of some ancient local hero, also shouting and squealing whilst the parents consumed even more alcohol.

I could still hear them at from my room at 1:00 am this morning. I don't know if it's a coincidence but both Eclipse and Tango had left when I got up this morning.

So I suppose the point is, I can now see why someone said they were embarrassed to be British. Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?

Or what about a migrant exchange programme. The U.K. Could accept two new migrants to live and work in the UK if we could export one piece of our garbage in exchange.

Something I can fully agree with Tillson, the large proportion of our population who make me cringe in disbelief at their behaviour.

The trouble is they also set the scene for the European politicians to view our more arrogant politicians, such as how they view Nigel Farage's insulting conduct in the European Parliament as abusive and ignorant outbursts from yet another British yob.
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[oldgroaner]

Something happened last night which made me think of one of the posts on here about being embarrassed to be British.

I'm currently on holiday staying in a tiny village port in Croatia. Roman Abramovich is here and his $500 000 000 yacht Eclipse is moored on the sea front as is Tango another yacht belonging to another Rusian gangster, sorry I mean billionaire. The village over the last week has been very quiet and peaceful.

That was until a north England slag, her Rottweiler husband, useless wild children and another similar couple arrived. All of the adults were pi$$ed and shouting in their comedy, heavily Geordie accented, voices. The hateful children were climbing a statue of some ancient local hero, also shouting and squealing whilst the parents consumed even more alcohol.

I could still hear them at from my room at 1:00 am this morning. I don't know if it's a coincidence but both Eclipse and Tango had left when I got up this morning.

So I suppose the point is, I can now see why someone said they were embarrassed to be British. Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?

Or what about a migrant exchange programme. The U.K. Could accept two new migrants to live and work in the UK if we could export one piece of our garbage in exchange.

Don't be a party pooper tillson, its just some of our voters engaging in a show of high spirits and demonstrating their contempt for Europeans.
I wonder who they were likely to have voted for in the referendum?

By the way that isn't an entirely novel suggestion, we have a history of filling up foreign countries with any part of our population currently deemed undesirable, It's just that in the past it was only a one way exchange.
would this be what you meant with the comment
"The Goodness will flow?"
Well done, you scored highly on the Bigot scale with comments on Geordies, North England Slag and Wild children, and did pretty well on the Regional intolerance with "Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?"
You should be grateful to people like this, if they were not such "Dangerous Intellectuals" and had such Political "Savvy" the pro Brexit vote in the referendum would have been abysmal.

 

[oldgroaner]

Something I can fully agree with Tillson, the large proportion of our population who make me cringe in disbelief at their behaviour.

The trouble is they also set the scene for the European politicians to view our more arrogant politicians, such as how they view Nigel Farage's insulting conduct in the European Parliament as abusive and ignorant outbursts from yet another British yob.
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You are being unfair, tillson is just as good at abusive and ignorant outbursts, the difference is he has much better style and articulation, making it a much pleasanter experience.
I am a fan of his.

 

[trex]

Don't worry. Trade will continue with the EU on favourable terms and we won't be having to accept the free movement of people.

that's not the tariff that worries me, it's the non-tariff barriers. The negotiations are essentially about removing those. That is why the Single Market is so important to retain export businesses in the UK.
Take the Canada FTA, to export to the EU tariff free, the exporter has to supply certificates of origin for all the parts inside. It is estimated that non-tariff barriers add between 7% to 12% to the cost. Our exporters like Brompton will lose a lot of business to EU competition unless they relocate their operation to the EU or set up branch office.
About the free movement of people, you should expect that brexit will not deliver any tangbible reduction in immigration.

 

[oldtom]

Brexit has resulted in us paying for a membership we no longer really have, an uncertain future, and if this UKIP clown is right our only available action to achieve Brexit is to jump out of the lifeboat into a rough sea with no lifebelt and any welcome shore over the horizon.

That's a very accurate synopsis of our position at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

In my view, it is absolutely certain that if Britain does not pull back from the brink, the EU will launch the 'killer blow' to our 'Brexit' eutopia.....perhaps that should really be distopia!

It has already been said by EU leaders that to have the major European banking centre in a country outside of the EU is completely incompatible with the aims and interests of the EU bloc of nation states. To that end, Frankfurt has been heavily tipped to assume that role and that is what will really hurt the British economy as the treasury makes enormous sums from the city, far more than we receive in other forms of trade.

The 'Brexidiots' have had plenty of time since the referendum to present the nation with some good news, some definite prospects for the future, yet they have offered nothing and the right-wing media are looking silly with the kind of journalistic nonsense they have been purveying recently in an effort to give hope to an increasingly uncertain public.

China is doing ok and France seems fairly happy with recent business - it must be nice when you can build power stations so cheaply that other countries want to pay for that expertise!

I can't see there being much demand globally for British nail bars or tattoo parlours and when the Japanese are faced with trade barriers, they will pretty quickly transfer their UK operations to other parts of Europe, being as the biggest export market for the cars and other goods built here is there.

Of course, my fears may be groundless but I'd dearly love to hear some factual news about our future outside of the EU from the people who created this situation, not just airy-fairy, fantasy stuff; I mean real business, both trade and commerce, that will assure the public we have a future without more austerity, or worse, a national economic depression.

Because the world hasn't stopped turning, some people seem to think that everything is ok and we will manage just fine after 'Brexit'. That really is blind faith as nothing has occurred since the referendum which might indicate that the present situation will remain and certainly, there is nothing to suggest we are headed towards a better future.

Realism tells me that things must change; experience tells me that it almost certainly won't be for the better!

Tom

 

[tillson]

Don't be a party pooper tillson, its just some of our voters engaging in a show of high spirits and demonstrating their contempt for Europeans.
I wonder who they were likely to have voted for in the referendum?

By the way that isn't an entirely novel suggestion, we have a history of filling up foreign countries with any part of our population currently deemed undesirable, It's just that in the past it was only a one way exchange.
would this be what you meant with the comment
"The Goodness will flow?"
Well done, you scored highly on the Bigot scale with comments on Geordies, North England Slag and Wild children, and did pretty well on the Regional intolerance with "Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?"
You should be grateful to people like this, if they were not such "Dangerous Intellectuals" and had such Political "Savvy" the pro Brexit vote in the referendum would have been abysmal.

Whilst I do find the Geordie accent irritating and the Yorkshire accent, intolerable, I'm not saying they are all bad people. I'm sure the people that I describe can be found in any part of the country and the accent is no indicator as to their likely behaviour. I just thought I'd clear that one up.

However, these two families were something else. The horrid children are never going to achieve anything except provoke someone to take a fire axe to them when they are a bit older. This reinforces my agreement with May over Grammer Schools. Theses disruptive kids need "warehousing" in schools away from children with potential.

I think you are being unfair to Farage in your earlier post.

 

[flecc]

This reinforces my agreement with May over Grammer Schools.

Ahem, grammar.
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[tillson]

Ahem, grammar.
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I know you won't believe me, but I thought that as I was typing. I knew something was wrong, but was too lazy to check.

I concede, it's a fair cop.

 

[flecc]

I know you won't believe me, but I thought that as I was typing. I knew something was wrong, but was too lazy to check.

I concede, it's a fair cop.

I do believe you and was very confident you knew the correct spelling, I just couldn't resist the tease. Apologies.
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[oldgroaner]

I know you won't believe me, but I thought that as I was typing. I knew something was wrong, but was too lazy to check.

I concede, it's a fair cop.

As always, you are a STAR!

 

[oldgroaner]

Whilst I do find the Geordie accent irritating and the Yorkshire accent, intolerable, I'm not saying they are all bad people. I'm sure the people that I describe can be found in any part of the country and the accent is no indicator as to their likely behaviour. I just thought I'd clear that one up.

However, these two families were something else. The horrid children are never going to achieve anything except provoke someone to take a fire axe to them when they are a bit older. This reinforces my agreement with May over Grammer Schools. Theses disruptive kids need "warehousing" in schools away from children with potential.

I think you are being unfair to Farage in your earlier post.

I love the way you mix apology and insult (all done in the best possible taste!)
Yorkshire accent intolerable? I'll have you know that the purest spoken English is in fact the Broad Yorkshire, I remember someone saying that on the BBC at one time, so like Brexit promises, it must be right (sorry reet)
And as to "Unfair to Farage?"
Did I call him and honourable polite and patriotic man, and a great asset to the nation? I protest! I did no such thing!
Not at all, I referred to him in much more fulsome terms, and I hope when he gets his "Order of Lenin" or whatever it is now called, he will hang it up on the wall next to his German passport.

 

[derf]

Something happened last night which made me think of one of the posts on here about being embarrassed to be British.

I'm currently on holiday staying in a tiny village port in Croatia. Roman Abramovich is here and his $500 000 000 yacht Eclipse is moored on the sea front as is Tango another yacht belonging to another Rusian gangster, sorry I mean billionaire. The village over the last week has been very quiet and peaceful.

That was until a north England slag, her Rottweiler husband, useless wild children and another similar couple arrived. All of the adults were pi$$ed and shouting in their comedy, heavily Geordie accented, voices. The hateful children were climbing a statue of some ancient local hero, also shouting and squealing whilst the parents consumed even more alcohol.

I could still hear them at from my room at 1:00 am this morning. I don't know if it's a coincidence but both Eclipse and Tango had left when I got up this morning.

So I suppose the point is, I can now see why someone said they were embarrassed to be British. Isn't there something we can put down or lace school dinners with to get rid of this sort of rubbish?

Or what about a migrant exchange programme. The U.K. Could accept two new migrants to live and work in the UK if we could export one piece of our garbage in exchange.

I agree with the sentiment of this post. I had a similar feeling last week, but I'm afraid most of the brexiters on this forum will heartily disagree with it. The immigration issue is about alleged benefit seeking immigrants coming to the UK to not work, right (as if the natives of the UK are productive workers)? How about instead of selective immigration throwing out all the UK citizens that should but do not work? We could send them to a nice empty white continent (like Antarctica) where they wont meet any immigrants and have lots of white expanse to stare at when they're feeling xenophobic and concerned about their precious perceived Anglo Saxon heritage

 

[oldgroaner]

I do believe you and was very confident you knew the correct spelling, I just couldn't resist the tease. Apologies.
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No. no. no! you should learn to tender apologies with the panache that tillson does, (by slipping a barb in over something else at the same time!)