Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

let's not imagine there is even a grain of truth in your claims about the UKIP.

'Simpletons are easily brainwashed by slick propagandists and there was none better than Joseph Goebbels who explained it like this:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

'Brexidiots', as perfectly illustrated by the kind of language used by their immature posters to this thread, are perfect fodder for the fascist, warmongering, right-wing fanatics who have split the tory party and set the UK on course to have no say in how one of the most important, global trading blocks is run in the future.

Unless parliament decides not to proceed with the issue, the penny simply won't drop for the mad extremists until it's too late. Only when the last nail bar, coffee shop and tattoo parlour close their doors for good will these people understand which side their bread is buttered on.

They have set Britain on the road to self-destruction and the reason I have repeated the words of Goebbels, which I drew attention to previously, is because those words are not something dreamt up by some journalist or author; they are the words of perhaps the greatest propagandist of all time. Of course, there's none so blind as those who will not see!

Tom

 

[tillson]

'Simpletons are easily brainwashed by slick propagandists and there was none better than Joseph Goebbels who explained it like this:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

'Brexidiots', as perfectly illustrated by the kind of language used by their immature posters to this thread, are perfect fodder for the fascist, warmongering, right-wing fanatics who have split the tory party and set the UK on course to have no say in how one of the most important, global trading blocks is run in the future.

Unless parliament decides not to proceed with the issue, the penny simply won't drop for the mad extremists until it's too late. Only when the last nail bar, coffee shop and tattoo parlour close their doors for good will these people understand which side their bread is buttered on.

They have set Britain on the road to self-destruction and the reason I have repeated the words of Goebbels, which I drew attention to previously, is because those words are not something dreamt up by some journalist or author; they are the words of perhaps the greatest propagandist of all time. Of course, there's none so blind as those who will not see!

Tom

I think someone is getting a little bit carried away.

 

[RobF]

I think someone is getting a little bit carried away.

Quite, and the Remain campaign couldn't possibly have used the same methods, could it?

Definitely not, because 'right' was on their side, and all those who voted leave are stupid.

Still, the unpleasant patronising arrogance of the remaining Brexit deniers only serves to make it ever more certain we will leave the rotten organisation they hold so dearly sooner rather than later.

 

[oldgroaner]

The same as Blair

Agreed! and Cameron also!

 

[oldgroaner]

I think someone is getting a little bit carried away.

At last! we have your admission on record, well done!
(Or didn't you mean that it was more of a Brexit type promise?)

 

[oldgroaner]

Quite, and the Remain campaign couldn't possibly have used the same methods, could it?

Definitely not, because 'right' was on their side, and all those who voted leave are stupid.

Still, the unpleasant patronising arrogance of the remaining Brexit deniers only serves to make it ever more certain we will leave the rotten organisation they hold so dearly sooner rather than later.

Actually it is hard to reconcile intelligence with voting to damage a safe situation on nothing more than vague promises (sorry vague suggestions) and lies, and with no plan whatever that had taken into account the risks involved.

If you are willing to state as you just did all who voted leave are stupid, who am I to disagree, when all the evidence points to exactly that.
However I still cling rather forlornly by now due to the way the absurd notion has become so deep rooted, that you were all actually misled, and had been about the EU for forty plus years.
No one is "Patronising" you, what is in fact happening is you feel insecure about your decision and overcompensate, quite natural under the circumstances.
Here is a thought for you. In several years time are you sure your conscience will be clear over the way you voted?
I certainly will, whichever way things turn out, as gambling with the Nations future is frankly stupid, when it was safe and assured.
If it turns out well,or even badly as least I can say I did the right thing, if it turns out to be fine, luckily I got it wrong.
If it turns out well then you were right and good luck to you.
Whereas you are going to find it hard to justify your actions if even the press fail to cover up the ongoing disaster with lies as usual if it works out badly and you and everyone else suffers.

And you couldn't be more wrong about the attitude of the remain voters making you even more determined about Brexit that is simply your own insecurity making you desperate to be proved right.
You have gone past the point of being able to see any other narrow viewpoint than your own, because really you know you made a rash decision and can't admit that to yourself.
So as not to appear patronising I shall say directly
That's your problem, get over it.
Where Have I heard that before?

 

[trex]

...
Still, the unpleasant patronising arrogance of the remaining Brexit deniers only serves to make it ever more certain we will leave the rotten organisation they hold so dearly sooner rather than later.

blame the EU because it's rotten. Isn't that over simplification?
Sure, you can pick examples but what do you compare the EU with? the UN? other governments? and what would you replace the EU with?

 

[oldgroaner]

The man Farage is a genius. I truly admire him.

Pick out the racism in this short compilation. You won't be able to of course, because there is none. Just the uncomfortable truth for left wing idiots to deal with in the only way they know how, to smear.

Good luck for the future Farage, you have served the United Kingdom well.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1034900779941496

No racist remarks maybe, but certainly lies about the EU with regard both the way representatives are elected and to laws that we agreed to, and his reference to "You lot" shows that the man who is in fact an MEP and part of the EU Parliament is nothing more than a political agitator who does not act as anything other than an outsider and irritant.

His arrogant behaviour is inexcusable when he is supposedly representing us.
If you can't see that then you really are starting to lose your grip on reality.
Alas they should have ejected him years ago before he could do any damage, by not doing so they actually of course gave the lie to his accusation that they are undemocratic!

 

[oldgroaner]

Advisory / non-advisory / small margins, the choice remains for the PM, either do it or face political suicide at the next election. What do you think she will do? I know and I'm not worried.

Cling to the "it was only advisory" if you like. Mrs May knows she has no choice. They sold us the referendum.

Actually like you, I am counting on it!

 

[RobF]

Actually it is hard to reconcile intelligence with voting to damage a safe situation on nothing more than vague promises (sorry vague suggestions) and lies, and with no plan whatever that had taken into account the risks involved.

If you are willing to state as you just did all who voted leave are stupid, who am I to disagree, when all the evidence points to exactly that.
However I still cling rather forlornly by now due to the way the absurd notion has become so deep rooted, that you were all actually misled, and had been about the EU for forty plus years.
No one is "Patronising" you, what is in fact happening is you feel insecure about your decision and overcompensate, quite natural under the circumstances.
Here is a thought for you. In several years time are you sure your conscience will be clear over the way you voted?
I certainly will, whichever way things turn out, as gambling with the Nations future is frankly stupid, when it was safe and assured.
If it turns out well,or even badly as least I can say I did the right thing, if it turns out to be fine, luckily I got it wrong.
If it turns out well then you were right and good luck to you.
Whereas you are going to find it hard to justify your actions if even the press fail to cover up the ongoing disaster with lies as usual if it works out badly and you and everyone else suffers.

And you couldn't be more wrong about the attitude of the remain voters making you even more determined about Brexit that is simply your own insecurity making you desperate to be proved right.
You have gone past the point of being able to see any other narrow viewpoint than your own, because really you know you made a rash decision and can't admit that to yourself.
So as not to appear patronising I shall say directly
That's your problem, get over it.
Where Have I heard that before?

Arrogant wordy drivel.

Your dreadful attitude to the opinions of others has seen off a few in this thread.

I will continue to come and go as I please.

You cannot accept that others have just a valid opinion as your own, 'Brexidiots' as you described them.

The problem here is your obsessive posting on this thread.

But carry on, one lone single issue obsessed campaigner on the internet is just that.

No one is taking any notice, apart from a shrinking handful who post only for their own amusement.

 

[oldgroaner]

Arrogant wordy drivel.

Your dreadful attitude to the opinions of others has seen off a few in this thread.

I will continue to come and go as I please.

You cannot accept that others have just a valid opinion as your own, 'Brexidiots' as you described them.

The problem here is your obsessive posting on this thread.

But carry on, one lone single issue obsessed campaigner on the internet is just that.

No one is taking any notice, apart from a shrinking handful who post only for their own amusement.

Well done! I have never referred to you or anyone else in such terms, full marks for imagination, and mentioned whether or not you come and go, where did that come from?
Once again you are not paying attention making allegations like those.

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[RobF]

Well done! I have never referred to you or anyone else in such terms, full marks for imagination, and mentioned whether or not you come and go, where did that come from?
Once again you are not paying attention making allegations like those.

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It's a challenge you can never meet, but post something worth paying attention to and you might find a few more people take notice.

Look on the bright side, I've done you a favour by giving this by now very wearisome thread a bit more oxygen so you should get at least a few dozen more posts out of it.

 

[oldgroaner]

It's a challenge you can never meet, but post something worth paying attention to and you might find a few more people take notice.

Look on the bright side, I've done you a favour by giving this by now very wearisome thread a bit more oxygen so you should get at least a few dozen more posts out of it.

A challenge I can never meet ? And what would that be ?
Are my postings too complicated for you to understand ?


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[tillson]

No racist remarks maybe, but certainly lies about the EU with regard both the way representatives are elected and to laws that we agreed to, and his reference to "You lot" shows that the man who is in fact an MEP and part of the EU Parliament is nothing more than a political agitator who does not act as anything other than an outsider and irritant.

His arrogant behaviour is inexcusable when he is supposedly representing us.
If you can't see that then you really are starting to lose your grip on reality.
Alas they should have ejected him years ago before he could do any damage, by not doing so they actually of course gave the lie to his accusation that they are undemocratic!

No they should not have ejected Farage. He was voted to the EU by people who wanted a message delivering. Farage delivered that message in a very eloquent manner. If voters in the UK didn't like what he was doing or saying, they would not have voted him back in.

Again, I feel the need to remind you that this is how a democratic process works. Just because an opinion doesn't suit you or a handful of like minded people, it doesn't mean that opinion is wrong and that it must be stifled or gagged. Farage was voted to the EU parliament several times, people are clearly happy with his work.

I particularly liked Farage's reference to one EU nobody as having the appearance of a pile of rags. Classic stuff and I will miss his speeches.

 

[trex]

to those who believe in Boris's spiel, here is some food for thought.
an interesting little graph showing how military/economic powers have waxed and waned. UK's is the orange plot.

source: https://www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/

 

[oldtom]

You cannot accept that others have just a valid opinion as your own, 'Brexidiots' as you described them.

If you check facts, I'm pretty sure that it was me who used the term, 'Brexidiots' to describe those who voted to divorce Britain from the EU, not 'oldgroaner'.

Moreover, as you choose to make statements about opinions and entitlement to them, I will agree that you are entitled to your own opinion; you are not, however, entitled to your own facts and you clearly didn't check the facts of the matter which prompted your pronouncement in post #4931. I suspect you also failed to check facts prior to the referendum as you would have seen through the tissue of lies promulgated by the fascist spokespersons if you had looked for truth in their claims.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

No they should not have ejected Farage. He was voted to the EU by people who wanted a message delivering. Farage delivered that message in a very eloquent manner. If voters in the UK didn't like what he was doing or saying, they would not have voted him back in.

Again, I feel the need to remind you that this is how a democratic process works. Just because an opinion doesn't suit you or a handful of like minded people, it doesn't mean that opinion is wrong and that it must be stifled or gagged. Farage was voted to the EU parliament several times, people are clearly happy with his work.

I particularly liked Farage's reference to one EU nobody as having the appearance of a pile of rags. Classic stuff and I will miss his speeches.

I will miss them too, watching an idiot perform is always entertaining, in a black comedy sort of way.

 

[oldgroaner]

No they should not have ejected Farage. He was voted to the EU by people who wanted a message delivering. Farage delivered that message in a very eloquent manner. If voters in the UK didn't like what he was doing or saying, they would not have voted him back in.

Again, I feel the need to remind you that this is how a democratic process works. Just because an opinion doesn't suit you or a handful of like minded people, it doesn't mean that opinion is wrong and that it must be stifled or gagged. Farage was voted to the EU parliament several times, people are clearly happy with his work.

I particularly liked Farage's reference to one EU nobody as having the appearance of a pile of rags. Classic stuff and I will miss his speeches.

No tillson, it is I who has to remind You how Democracy works.
Strange that such behaviour in the UK Parliament would have led to the MP being suspended for a set period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_from_the_UK_parliament
And yet Rentagob Farage is left in peace to ruin the reputation of the UK.

 

[oldgroaner]

to those who believe in Boris's spiel, here is some food for thought.
an interesting little graph showing how military/economic powers have waxed and waned. UK's is the orange plot.

source: https://www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/

The worrying thing is we are likely to look back at last year as being one of the good times!

Somehow our situation reminds me of the Peter Sellers film "The Mouse that Roared"
And we are going out "set the world on it's heels" are we?
Sorry I'm having another Mirth attack!

 

[trex]

May agreeing to China's investment comes as no surprise to me. Sooner or later, anyone in government knows that the only sources of cash are currently China and Saudi. The Pound is dropping 2% in value in 2 days just on rumour of Hammond accepting that we can't stay in the Single Market. While May does what the Chinese demand, Brexiters kid themselves thinking that we will be doing brilliantly outside the EU when our level of spending on health and social services are beyond our capability of raising taxes. Trade with China without the EU protection? while they are free to sell us everything, they only buy houses, football clubs and companies from us.