Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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From the Telegraph this morning
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Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker agree 'legally-binding assurances on Irish backstop'

And in the Express
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EU CONCEDES: May secures 'improved Brexit deal' with 'legally binding' backstop concession
And the Daily Mail
May WINS 'legally binding changes' to backstop from EU after last-minute dash to Strasbourg before showdown Commons vote today - as Juncker says there will be 'no third chance'

I couldn't find a single readers comment in favour in any paper
Well the text and required analysis would have been made public after this group would have had their Ovaltine or Cocoa. , Expect a deluge post 10:00,after the scrambled eggs have been consumed.
It is all good news, but is it enough!.
 

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Well the text and required analysis would have been made public after this group would have had their Ovaltine or Cocoa. , Expect a deluge post 10:00,after the scrambled eggs have been consumed.
It is all good news, but is it enough!.
All she has won is losing less.
 
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Tommie, I am sure we share common ground,with Ms Foster and her condemning of the award by the Mayor of San Francisco ,to Martin McGuiness RIP , .. for amongst other things his "military service "
 
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All she has won is losing less.
agreed.
she'll lose tonight by about 100 votes.
her next move is to allow no deal to be defeated and A50 extension to win, then do a deal with Corbyn to get her deal through in days before the deadline.
It will be then between her deal and remain.
 
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agreed.
she'll lose tonight by about 100 votes.
her next move is to allow no deal to be defeated and A50 extension to win, then do a deal with Corbyn to get her deal through in days before the deadline.
It will be then between her deal and remain.

I think it will ultimately boil down to her deal or another referendum. Its how the EU works in these cases historically. But yes. It means the same.

We were never going to be allowed to leave. An interesting diversion was all it was ever going to be. An expensive one too. In many ways.
 

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I think it will ultimately boil down to her deal or another referendum. Its how the EU works in these cases historically. But yes. It means the same.

We were never going to be allowed to leave. An interesting diversion was all it was ever going to be. An expensive one too. In many ways.
Patience this hasn't run out of steam yet
But it has made a lot of money for some very dodgy politicians, hasn't it?
If they think there is no more to be made out of Brexit is is doomed.
 
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oldgroaner

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I think it will ultimately boil down to her deal or another referendum. Its how the EU works in these cases historically. But yes. It means the same.

We were never going to be allowed to leave. An interesting diversion was all it was ever going to be. An expensive one too. In many ways.
Still pushing that old trope? in each case the decision didn't rest with the EU, but the other party, who got the deal they wanted.
How can you twist that around till it comes out reversed?
 

oldgroaner

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agreed.
she'll lose tonight by about 100 votes.
her next move is to allow no deal to be defeated and A50 extension to win, then do a deal with Corbyn to get her deal through in days before the deadline.
It will be then between her deal and remain.
Possibly
 

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Still pushing that old trope? in each case the decision didn't rest with the EU, but the other party, who got the deal they wanted.
How can you twist that around till it comes out reversed?
You really are the most argumentitive person I, ve had the misfortune to encounter.
 

Zlatan

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Don't you own a mirror?
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As SAF used to say of Roy Keane... You could start an argument in an empty house... If the cap fits Flecc... You arent far behind OG..
Perhaps an objective assessment might help. Count the folk OG and your dear self have argued with on here. I, d bet my last Porsche you two have argued with at least double of any other poster.
 
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I think it will ultimately boil down to her deal or another referendum. Its how the EU works in these cases historically. But yes. It means the same.

We were never going to be allowed to leave. An interesting diversion was all it was ever going to be. An expensive one too. In many ways.
if brexit can be done allover again, I would suggest the first move is to get reassurance from the EU on the mechanism and the terms of rejoining. That's the real insurance policy.
From there, we can work out how much it would cost to leave with a Canada style deal. That'll give us the spread of risks and rewards.
 

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if brexit can be done allover again, I would suggest the first move is to get reassurance from the EU on the mechanism and the terms of rejoining. That's the real insurance policy.
From there, we can work out how much it would cost to leave with a Canada style deal. That'll give us the spread of risks and rewards.
Thats been issue from very start. Cameron offerered leave as an appeasement and not a realistic possibility he or any of his government had done any preperation for. I doubt they had done any kind of feasibility study yet public were expected to know what they had voted for. It all backfired when remain lost.
The only fact this fiasco has proven is democracy is dead. We should leave, no deal or whatever. The entire episode has been pointless if we leave under May's deal, doubly so if we remain.
We should be leaving under no deal and sort the mess out that entails. EU would be equally desperate to sort it out. Throughout the entire process our government has had its hands tied behind its back by stupid remainers, moaning and knowing better, typified on here.
Folk who sold toilets for a living overnight knew more about our economy than Peter Hargreaves and such and took to their soap boxes. Its been an utter farce ruining any chance of a good deal. Its been like playing poker with your mother looking at your hand shouting to table you cant win with a flush...
 
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You really are the most argumentitive person I, ve had the misfortune to encounter.

It's amazing. Not in a good way though. He literally replied to me twice separately on the same post and said two different arguments and more peculiarly he actually managed to argue with himself in the space of two posts...

He's unhinged.
 
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All she has won is losing less.
So this ridiculous woman went rushing over to Strasbourg in an RAF plane to offer them this on bended knee and for what? She should be sacked for wasting money on this, if nothing else - how stupid is she?

"Devastating legal advice by Geoffrey Cox on Theresa May's so-called legally binding changes: "If no such demonstrable failure of either party... the UK would have no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement."
 

oldgroaner

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Thats been issue from very start. Cameron offerered leave as an appeasement and not a realistic possibility he or any of his government had done any preperation for. I doubt they had done any kind of feasibility study yet public were expected to know what they had voted for. It all backfired when remain lost.
The only fact this fiasco has proven is democracy is dead. We should leave, no deal or whatever. The entire episode has been pointless if we leave under May's deal, doubly so if we remain.
We should be leaving under no deal and sort the mess out that entails. EU would be equally desperate to sort it out. Throughout the entire process our government has had its hands tied behind its back by stupid remainers, moaning and knowing better, typified on here.
Folk who sold toilets for a living overnight knew more about our economy than Peter Hargreaves and such and took to their soap boxes. Its been an utter farce ruining any chance of a good deal. Its been like playing poker with your mother looking at your hand shouting to table you cant win with a flush...
Talk about denial the fault lies with those who voted for leave, and no one else!
Funniest thing you've said for quite a while, blaming remainers for your disastrous mistake
 

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As SAF used to say of Roy Keane... You could start an argument in an empty house... If the cap fits Flecc... You arent far behind OG..
Perhaps an objective assessment might help. Count the folk OG and your dear self have argued with on here. I, d bet my last Porsche you two have argued with at least double of any other poster.
You'd lose your Porsche, Old Tom easily beats me and possibly OG as well. Like you I have periods out of here, often missing several whole pages of posts.
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Zlatan

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Talk about denial the fault lies with those who voted for leave, and no one else!
Funniest thing you've said for quite a while, blaming remainers for your disastrous mistake
Well how on earth can you blame leavers when we havent left and are unlikely to do so because of the hate campaign endorsed and utilised by remainers typified by you.
Mays deal is the best deal on offer because of remainers.
Our best option now is no deal, calling EUs bluff and sorting the mess out. That is squarely on remainer heads.
Had country been unified and got behind the democratic decision then just may be EU would have found the desls by now. As it is they are expoitng the weakness remainers have demonstrated.
 

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