Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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Ahhhhhhh..ha...ha..ha :D
Dan Dan please stop it.... i`ve got sore sides...it`s not the 1st april yet!!
The inclusion of Waterford did come as a surprise to me, but then remember that that it is part of the Golden Vale , or the richest agricultural land on the island or perhaps of these entire islands. Of course it excludes from consideration very small enclaves like the coastal areas of South County Dublin or indeed South Co Down ,which as we know are heavenly places.
 
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Next thing you`ll be telling us all is Irish beef is safe..lol!!

27 cattle test positive in Co. Monaghan `Angel Dust` case

A further 27 cattle from a Co. Monaghan farm have tested positive for the banned substance clenbuterol, also known as angel dust, after further tests were carried out by the Department of Agriculture.

Last month, the Department said that it had launched an investigation after an animal, which was processed through ABP Clones, tested positive for the growth promoter after a random sample was taken as part of the National Residue Control Programme.

The Department has confirmed that 27 animals, which were on the holding as part of the overall herd, tested positive and were destroyed.


A common stunt by Irish farmers to boost the animals weight to get it to slaughter....for more MONEY!

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/27-cattle-test-positive-for-angel-dust-in-co-monaghan-case/
Bad bad news,and you are right to bring it up. The positive is that it is being detected and punished. Now where did the angel dust come from , and where were those cattle before being on that farm?. We have an all Ireland agri market at present.
Before it was banned, there were cattle in fields close to where I lived here,a and it was evident when they had been dosed. Their agitation was palpable.
 
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Tommie, What should be of more concern to both of us is the following report from the site Joe.ie .
I have continually warned about complacency and how a bad Border arrangement would feed into this ...
"Members of An Garda Síochána have carried out follow-up searches at a site in Omeath, County Louth where firearms, explosives and ammunition were recovered.

The seizure took place on Thursday 28 February as part of a follow-up to an operation that was conducted on Friday 1 February targeting dissident Republican groups.

Further searches were carried out at lands in an area close to Omeath by Gardaí from the Louth Garda Division, the Special Detective Unit and the Special Tactics and Operations Command.

During the operation, Gardaí recovered a quantity of explosives, two firearms and a sizeable quantity of ammunition of various calibres.
 
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Ms Long of the Alliance Party ,one of the multiple NI political parties had a nice analogy today...

"In short, our membership of the EU is a racehorse, which we are trading for the promise of a unicorn and so whatever donkey Theresa May brings home from Brussels will never and can never satisfy the expectations either of those who voted for a unicorn or those who were happy with the racehorse,” she said."
 

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Ms Long of the Alliance Party ,one of the multiple NI political parties had a nice analogy today...

"In short, our membership of the EU is a racehorse, which we are trading for the promise of a unicorn and so whatever donkey Theresa May brings home from Brussels will never and can never satisfy the expectations either of those who voted for a unicorn or those who were happy with the racehorse,” she said."
I like that.
 
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An example of a lie sheet being circulated by Brexiteers on Facebook, Twitter and Email


You have to ask, who would be stupid enough to be taken in?
But really the question is, what reason has the sender to believe the recipient will be, and the amount of effort involved is worthwhile?

This is evidence that it isn't a case in this instance that Remainers consider leave voters are stupid.

It's far worse than that , the leave campaigns are clearly convinced they are, after all the evidence is that these methods worked before.
 
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the leave campaigns are clearly convinced they are, after all the evidence is that hese methods worked before.
it's like one of those links that bring to your computer encryption viruses.
it worked before, it still works now and will work again. The reason: not many people suspect a lie when it's framed with pretty graphics or sounds plausible.
 
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Anyone caught up with driving offences post-brexit?

I believe that offences in this list:
  • Speeding
  • Drink/drug driving
  • Seatbelt/crash helmet
  • Red light/forbidden lane, and
  • Mobile phone offences
... can require exchange of driver details, etc. by DVLA.

I guess (and that is all it is) that EU drivers who come to the UK will be able to get away with some offences in future. And the same for UK drivers in the EU.
 
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it's like one of those links that bring to your computer encryption viruses.
it worked before, it still works now and will work again. The reason: not many people suspect a lie when it's framed with pretty graphics or sounds plausible.
Imagine if you will that the unlikely happens , and a new referendum is offered to the public.
We have been assured on this Forum that remainers need to stop regarding those still in favour of Brexit as being either misled or dumb.

How is one to frame a message to infuence the entrenched attitude of individuals who are treated as idiots by their own side,because they believe this has proven to be the case in the past?
That is the problem faced by the remain side.

Conversely if you put yourself into the shoes of the leave campaigners ,while it is essential to reignite enthusiasm again among the converts, more recruiting needs to be done among the rest of the population. to assure victory.

Which begs the question , how much preparatory work has taken place on the stolen public date already, how much more is being mined every day, and has a suitably effective messaging theme/ campaign strategy been developed by both factions to reach this audience en masse?

And more to the point where and how much money will magically appear to fund the various campaigns?

I suspect the Blizzard of Emails, Tweets, and targetted adverts we saw at the run up to the last referendum will be eclipsed by several orders of magnitude if another one is called.
 
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Imagine if you will that the unlikely happens , and a new referendum is offered to the public.
We have been assured on this Forum that remainers need to stop regarding those still in favour of Brexit as being either misled or dumb.

How is one to frame a message to infuence the entrenched attitude of individuals who are treated as idiots by their own side,because they believe this has proven to be the case in the past?
That is the problem faced by the remain side.

Conversely if you put yourself into the shoes of the leave campaigners ,while it is essential to reignite enthusiasm again among the converts, more recruiting needs to be done among the rest of the population. to assure victory.

Which begs the question , how much preparatory work has taken place on the stolen public date already, how much more is being mined every day, and has a suitably effective messaging theme/ campaign strategy been developed by both factions to reach this audience en masse?

And more to the point where and how much money will magically appear to fund the various campaigns?

I suspect the Blizzard of Emails, Tweets, and targetted adverts we saw at the run up to the last referendum will be eclipsed by several orders of magnitude if another one is called.
 

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Which begs the question , how much preparatory work has taken place on the stolen public date already, how much more is being mined every day, and has a suitably effective messaging theme/ campaign strategy been developed by both factions to reach this audience en masse?

And more to the point where and how much money will magically appear to fund the various campaigns?
buying votes is expensive business, FB has made it much cheaper because you can microtarget but at the end of the day, winning votes need solid financial backing. If you take the last US presidential election, both parties spent 6.5 billions dollars on 253 million voters, the spend per voter is $25, about £18 per voter.
To win, you need to outspend the competition, whatever that may be.
The problem with funding in the last referendum is Leave has motivated billiionaire private backers, remain did not have enough private backers.
As far as the message is concerned, that's the easy bit.
Truth is boring, adverts based on truth depress people and lack imagination. Lies are more fun and entertain because they are fundamentally creative.
You start with some basic examples that are rooted in people's prejudices like mafia, LGBT, scroungers, immigrants, muslims, criminals, undemocratic governments etc and find stories about EU funds misdirected to support them. People disapprove of the perpetrators then transfer their disapproval to ther supposedly funders, the EU. You make adverts based on those stories. You need to bombard voters every day to keep them focused and motivated.
If remain wants to win, it has to create just as many lies. Create stories that brexit increases taxes and living cost and replace EU immigrants with muslims and people on benefit will be compelled to do menial jobs for their benefits.
 
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buying votes is expensive business, FB has made it much cheaper because you can microtarget but at the end of the day, winning votes need solid financial backing. If you take the last US presidential election, both parties spent 6.5 billions dollars on 253 million voters, the spend per voter is $25, about £18 per voter.
To win, you need to outspend the competition, whatever that may be.
The problem with funding in the last referendum is Leave has motivated billiionaire private backers, remain did not have enough private backers.
As far as the message is concerned, that's the easy bit.
Truth is boring, adverts based on truth depress people and lack imagination. Lies are more fun and entertain because they are fundamentally creative.
You start with some basic examples that are rooted in people's prejudices like mafia, LGBT, scroungers, immigrants, muslims, criminals, undemocratic governments etc and find stories about EU funds misdirected to support them. People disapprove of the perpetrators then transfer their disapproval to ther supposedly funders, the EU. You make adverts based on those stories. You need to bombard voters every day to keep them focused and motivated.
If remain wants to win, it has to create just as many lies. Create stories that brexit increases taxes and living cost and replace EU immigrants with muslims and people on benefit will be compelled to do menial jobs for their benefits.
They will indeed need to be creative to present this true situation
" Brexit increases taxes and living cost and replace EU immigrants with muslims and people on benefit will be compelled to do menial jobs for their benefits.
As lies! we will end up with both campaigns sharing the same messages.. now there's a thought that will bore Tommie!
 
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Brino here we come, eh?
you mean the fight goes on?
apparently, TM is going to resign in April or May after delivering the first phase of brexit and Boris Johnson is ahead in replacing her.
The other two candidates are Gove and Hunt.
Now, who wants to move to Spain?
 

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you mean the fight goes on?
apparently, TM is going to resign in April or May after delivering the first phase of brexit and Boris Johnson is ahead in replacing her.
The other two candidates are Gove and Hunt.
Now, who wants to move to Spain?
I can't think of a better outcome, unless they give the job to Grayling!
The day when we re apply for membership of the EU gets ever closer!
 
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Truth is boring, adverts based on truth depress people and lack imagination. Lies are more fun and entertain because they are fundamentally creative.
You start with some basic examples that are rooted in people's prejudices like mafia, LGBT, scroungers, immigrants, muslims, criminals, undemocratic governments etc and find stories about EU funds misdirected to support them. People disapprove of the perpetrators then transfer their disapproval to ther supposedly funders, the EU. You make adverts based on those stories. You need to bombard voters every day to keep them focused and motivated.
I have a real issue with this because it has spilled over into other EU countries - Le Pen is just translating much of the brexit tripe into French and passing it off as her own "program".
 

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So much for Honda having a long term plan to withdraw from the UK
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17471496.honda-reveals-it-had-plans-to-make-electric-cars-in-swindon-before-plant-closure/?ref=twtrec

Honda reveals it had plans to make electric cars in Swindon before plant closure
HONDA has admitted that it had already invested in manufacturing the next line of electric vehicles in Swindon.

Senior figures at Honda told workers at the plant that robot technology to build electric cars was being delivered by boat, before the sudden announcement last week that the plant will close.
It is understood the new technology in transit was to switch the joinery of panels of the new 2021 hybrid models from welding to adhesive.
The new technology would have been installed over the summer when the workers had planned stoppage time.

Of course we are assured the decision was nothing to do with Brexit, but it was sort of "Sudden" wasn't it?:rolleyes:
 

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I have a real issue with this because it has spilled over into other EU countries - Le Pen is just translating much of the brexit tripe into French and passing it off as her own "program".
Seems the French have run with it rather well. Its muted counting burning cars in France is a much better indication of voter's moods.
https://qz.com/877789/french-car-burning-on-new-years-eve-has-increased-for-the-first-time-in-four-years/

The French dont need any lessons in expressing disatisfaction.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20180102/is-the-famous-french-tradition-of-torching-cars-dying-out

Cant find article online but according to Economist (this weeks) a couple of French ministers have had homes torched aswell. All is not well in France, but somebody is bound to blame Brexit.
 
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