Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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Not sure if you`re on a wind-up or not....but..

As you`ve been tripping over yourself with benevolence and endearing yourself to this woman who has allied herself to these death-cult terrorists, maybe you would like to offer her that spare room you have there in Louth and introduce her to your 19yr old daughter or niece? How would you feel about that??
Hmmmmmm...takes the shine off it don`t it?
Oh she could bring over her jehadi husband too - wouldn`t that be a cosy get-together for all.
Come to think of it you could introduce them to your TD Gerry Adams and they could exchange notes on how to behead, torture, rape, assassinate, abduct etc etc....i`m sure they`d be well impressed with Gerrys efforts on terrorism.
And don`t forget a sunday afternoon drive up to Shelling Hill beach, they`ll be all ears with that story.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/body-found-on-louth-beach-was-jean-mcconville-1.505509

Dan, as they say these parts `Catch yerself on`
There's a few snags with you comfortable tabloid informed certainty about the rights and wrongs of this case. If you take a step back and consider her and IS symptoms of a systematically destabilised middle east in which the west - and especially the UK and USA - have regularly switched between backing puppet authoritarian regimes (Al sisi) or fundamentalists (tali an, elements of Arab spring) on the basis of self interest and expediency, you may realise that you're, again, being played by the establishment, media, politicians. Your fervour against IS is simplistic splitting, manufactured populist support for displacing the blame for our government's actions to others out there. I don't like or support IS, but their very much part of a mess the UK created and are responsible for (going right back to the colonial division of Syria) and the sykes picott agreement.
 
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oldgroaner

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That list and blaming Brexit for all is plain stupid.

Your posts are like white noise, irritating whilst they last, but a sense of relief and soon forgotten when they stop. Brexit will cost jobs and influence some companies to move out of the UK, but your scatter-gun approach of blaming absolutely every bit of unwelcome news on Brexit is ridiculous.
Sadly it isn't it is reporting the situation Brexit has got us into
 

50Hertz

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No I was referring to the child,as she was , not the new infant.
Tonight was the first BBC report I actually saw referring to this and I am even more scandalised by the UK Home Office. The excuse they use as a justication is that a totally uninvolved third country Bangladesh is expected to offer citizenship to a person who has never been there,on the grounds that her mother was born a Bangladeshi. In other words ,the act of kindness by some third party ,is required to give a legal figleaf to an act of vengeance.
Perfidious Albion is a term occasionally used,and for the UK to have made this decision of robbing a citizen of her birthright , particularly and especially without any form of due process, meets that standard. To bring it back to Brexit, It is a salutary lesson to us EU non UK citizens.
The adult in question chose to leave the U.K. to join a IS. The long term plan has failed. They must now be forgotten about and are no longer of any concern.

According to you, the U.K. is an unsatisfactory place to live. I’m happy with that, so the adult in question can live outside the uk and find somewhere more accommodating. If you feel strongly enough, take action and stop your activity. You continually confuse activity with action, go and help the adult if you are so outraged and put an end to your keyboard activity.

Now let’s not bring this subject up again. The correct decision has been taken. It’s over.
 

50Hertz

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Sadly it isn't it is reporting the situation Brexit has got us into
There were companies on your list which would have taken the same decisions to close regardless of Brexit. There are some on your list which have undoubtedly been adversely influenced by Brexit, but my point is that you can’t blame everything on Brexit. It becomes background noise.
 

50Hertz

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There's a few snags with you comfortable tabloid informed certainty about the rights and wrongs of this case. If you take a step back and consider her and IS symptoms of a systematically destabilised middle east in which the west - and especially the UK and USA - have regularly switched between backing puppet authoritarian regimes (Al sisi) or fundamentalists (tali an, elements of Arab spring) on the basis of self interest and expediency, you may realise that you're, again, being played by the establishment, media, politicians. Your fervour against IS is simplistic splitting, manufactured populist support for displacing the blame for our government's actions to others out there. I don't like or support IS, but their very much part of a mess the UK created and are responsible for (going right back to the colonial division of Syria) and the sykes picott agreement.
As much as it pains me to say it, there are aspects of the above which I agree with. The U.K. shouldn’t pick convenient fights. We should stay out of the internal conflicts which are far away and non of our business. I can’t quite bring myself to reach for the agree button though.
 
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oldgroaner

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There were companies on your list which would have taken the same decisions to close regardless of Brexit. There are some on your list which have undoubtedly been adversely influenced by Brexit, but my point is that you can’t blame everything on Brexit. It becomes background noise.
And the truth is that Brexit hasn't helped has it?
 
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Yes Corbyn is certainly resolute in his ambition to make the Labour Party entirely unelectable for a decade. It looks like we are going to be stuck with TM.
TM has less than a year in her post.
Apparently, the ERG would vote for her deal if she hands over the top job to Boris Johnson.
I watched Lucy Worsley on BBC 4 'British history's biggest fibs' - brexit may make it to the list in due course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08cgp55/british-historys-biggest-fibs-with-lucy-worsley-series-1-2-the-glorious-revolution
 

Woosh

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the question at this moment is "What difference does arguing over the deckchairs make as the deck of the Titanic takes on a tilt?"
on a small boat like Westminster, it does.
 
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oldgroaner

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[B]Lowerhouses[/B]‏ @[B]lowerhouses[/B] 24m24 minutes ago



Replying to @[B]Peston[/B] @[B]jeremycorbyn[/B]

...and I’ll go with what this big fella has gotta say on the topic...





0:01 / 0:39

I wonder what the odds are of anyone standing as a non party MP?
Anyone care to guess?
And what use to the country these little fringe nut job parties such as the UKIP and these seven will be ?
It just makes a bad situation even worse.
And another interesting little detail is this
Four out of eight had lost votes of no confidence - leaving a party before you get deselected is thwarting democracy, not engaging with it

Nice work if you can get it(if only till the next GE)
 
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50Hertz

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TM has less than a year in her post.
Apparently, the ERG would vote for her deal if she hands over the top job to Boris Johnson.
I watched Lucy Worsley on BBC 4 'British history's biggest fibs' - brexit may make it to the list in due course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08cgp55/british-historys-biggest-fibs-with-lucy-worsley-series-1-2-the-glorious-revolution
I don’t like the sound of that. I hope this group of 8 gets large enough to have influence & force another referendum.
 
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oldgroaner

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I said as much in my post.

The point is you can’t blame everything on Brexit. By all means single out things which you can, but not everything.
I was attempting to give a glimpse of the full situation, and remember many of the reasons given for the moves are extremely dubious, enough so to be remarked on, as face saving is going on big time with these companies.
 
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50Hertz

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Its not a windup. She is not my or the Bangladeshi responsibility, she is the responsibility of the UK state.
Are you so taken up with your clever wordplay that you cannot see that UK citizenship is now a sham?
If a Minister of your Government can unilaterally remove citizenship at the stroke of a pen,for whatever reason he or she wishes, expel and remove citizenship,you are living in a dictatorship.

Let the UK take their deluded home, the Germans theirs ,the Belgians ,the French, etc etc and we may have a few Irish ones also. Then put them on trial, Determine whether they have committed serious crimes ,lock them up if necessary . We , both you and I have plenty of drug smuggling killers in our prisons, but we do not deny them citizenship. We even have people in our secure mental hospitals who may well have perpertrated worse than this young woman,but we do not deny them citizenship.
My stance on this topic has been consistent and logical. Yours and I regret to say ,others whome I might have expected to be "liberal" have not.
This is not your business. If you want to interfere, go to the person and help them directly.
 

oldgroaner

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I don’t like the sound of that. I hope this group of 8 gets large enough to have influence & force another referendum.
Not likely though is it? too many compartments on this particular Titanic have already filled with water.
The only question is do we slide gracefully under the waves of capsize?
No wonder a long list of the Champions of the leave campaign have already taken to the lifeboats.
 

50Hertz

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I was attempting to give a glimpse of the full situation, and remember many of the reasons given for the moves are extremely dubious, enough so to be remarked on, as face saving is going on big time with these companies.
I take your point on that. It’s not beyond possibility that some companies have been “asked” not to quote Brexit when announcing their closures in return for, who knows what.
 
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