Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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She is still an EU citizen, so has every right to appeal to the ECJ.
As Woosh has posted, the court in this case would be the ECHR, and it's findings are only advisory.

Indeed David Cameron ruled about three years ago that the ECHR would as a matter of government policy be ignored in future.
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As Woosh has posted, the court in this case would be the ECHR, and it's findings are only advisory.

Indeed David Cameron ruled about three years ago that the ECHR would as a matter of government policy be ignored in future.
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Advisory...??? There's a shock.
 

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I thought this piece in the Guardian made a strong case as to why car makers don't want to blame Brexit for quitting Britain.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/carmakers-quitting-britain-wont-blame-brexit-its-not-in-their-interest
Mostly true, but as before I entirely discount the pressure to switch to electric as a current factor.

With e-car sales at 1% and hybrids at 3%, it will be a number of years before they become a big enough factor to dictate where to manufacture. Meanwhile most of the car makers sales of the remaining well over 90% will be petrol powered, whether the politicians like it or not.

The car makers have plenty of time, for most countries until 2030 before new i.c. car registrations are intended to be banned. For some like the UK it's 2040, so 21 years yet.

And of course the ban dates are only intentions for climate change reasons, since when has anyone met a climate change target date with any measure!
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Zlatan

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You are one of the more rational and balanced posters on here, so I always pay attention to what you say. On this subject I have read your post thoroughly, but I can’t agree with you. We have widely varying opinions that I don’t think will ever meet, but I respect you and your opinion.
Thanks 50.Thoughts reciprocated. We can agree to disagree on this.
 
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Mostly true, but as before I entirely discount the pressure to switch to electric as a current factor.

With e-car sales at 1% and hybrids at 3%, it will be a number of years before they become a big enough factor to dictate where to manufacture. Meanwhile most of the car makers sales of the remaining well over 90% will be petrol powered, whether the politicians like it or not.

The car makers have plenty of time, for most countries until 2030 before new i.c. car registrations are intended to be banned. For some like the UK it's 2040, so 21 years yet.

And of course the ban dates are only intentions for climate change reasons, since when has anyone met a climate change target date with any measure!
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I agree, I was taking the electric car excuse for what it is...
an excuse.
The bulk of a visible car remains the same. A chassis,bent steel,seats, doors , glass lights entertainment system,an assembly plant. R&D and modelling,paint consultants etc...
 
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The bulk of a visible car remains the same. A chassis,bent steel,seats, doors , glass lights entertainment system,an assembly plant. R&D and modelling,paint consultants etc...
You may not know, but it even goes further than that.

Almost the entire electrical system on my Nissan Leaf is 12 volts, powered from a perfectly ordinary SLA car battery under the bonnet.

Only the traction battery, a cable with fuse link to the integrated controller and motor unit are high voltage.

The 12 volt battery gets charged at the same time as the traction battery and can be topped up from it when on the road.

Essentially the integrated controller and motor unit could be dropped out and replaced by an i.c engine/gearbox assembly and cooling system and a petrol tank in place of the battery. Very little else would need to be changed.

Indeed VW designed their little UP town car for all power units including electric, so they can all be built together.
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Indeed VW designed their little UP town car for all power units including electric, so they can all be built together.
An example of quite how much effort they put into reducing the costs of building cars. The previous car was the Lupo, was it not? Now they save half the cost of the badges by dropping the L and O. :D
 
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flecc

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An example of quite how much effort they put into reducing the costs of building cars. The previous car was the Lupo, was it not? Now they save half the cost of the badges by dropping the L and O. :D
Sounds good, but their Skoda division call it the Citigo and their Seat division call it the Mii.

Of course VW's electric version is the e-Up. Sounds like something a Yorkshireman might say!

It's great little car and I'd have bought that instead if the battery had been big enough, but under 19 kWh and a 50 mile range was out of the question. They already have a double size battery for it, but with typical Teutonic arrogance VW say they aren't bothering to make the change since the market is still too small.

I wonder if it's occurred to them that if it had the big battery, the market might suddenly get bigger.
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No I was referring to the child,as she was , not the new infant.
Tonight was the first BBC report I actually saw referring to this and I am even more scandalised by the UK Home Office. The excuse they use as a justication is that a totally uninvolved third country Bangladesh is expected to offer citizenship to a person who has never been there,on the grounds that her mother was born a Bangladeshi. In other words ,the act of kindness by some third party ,is required to give a legal figleaf to an act of vengeance.
Perfidious Albion is a term occasionally used,and for the UK to have made this decision of robbing a citizen of her birthright , particularly and especially without any form of due process, meets that standard. To bring it back to Brexit, It is a salutary lesson to us EU non UK citizens.

He's. I agree. It's all very well for me to say on here I don't want her back let her rot but it's not OK for the government to say this.

She should be allowed to make her way back then upon arrival go before a court get a nice solid 5 to 10 year stretch then if she's not been deprogramed satisfactory section her.
 
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Interesting that with the 3 Tory resignations plus the 8 Labour resignations that total of 11 now exceeds the working majority of the Tory party (Tory plus DUP gives the Tories only 9 working majority)
There are rumours that further resignations are inevitable from Labour but the Independent Group will choose to drip feed these. Would Tom Watson be a high profile possible resignation.?
Corbyn has made an equal mess of Labour,equal to the mess that May has made of the Tories.
It is going to be difficult for May to get any vote through parliament now,even in the unlikely event of removing the backstop.
I liked Lisa Mandy's comment on QT about Chris Grailing....'I wouldnt trust that guy to run a bath!'
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Interesting that with the 3 Tory resignations plus the 8 Labour resignations that total of 11 now exceeds the working majority of the Tory party
And that 11 equals the LibDems 11.

Since the Independent group are middle of the road, they and the LibDems could combine and dictate who gets into government at the next GE. Neither the Tories or Labour are likely to get an overwhelming win so another coalition is possible, even quite likely.
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And that 11 equals the LibDems 11.

Since the Independent group are middle of the road, they and the LibDems could combine and dictate who gets into government at the next GE. Neither the Tories or Labour are likely to get an overwhelming win so another coalition is possible, even quite likely.
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the main thing is to stop BJ or JRM to be the next PM.
 

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He's. I agree. It's all very well for me to say on here I don't want her back let her rot but it's not OK for the government to say this.

She should be allowed to make her way back then upon arrival go before a court get a nice solid 5 to 10 year stretch then if she's not been deprogramed satisfactory section her.
I agree she should be brought before a court. Then charged with whatever actual crimes have been committed.. passport fraud, associating with illegal organisations ,having children without due care and attention ,whatever is real.
 
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