Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

This is not your business. If you want to interfere, go to the person and help them directly.

Apparently Danidl she can only have her UK citizenship removed if she has dual citizenship. She also hss Bangladeshi... But I agree with you.
I think this has been political expediency and catering to social media. I wonder who will get invoved in appeals process... ECJ...???? Just a thought.
(apologies, was replying to Danidl not 50)
The rule of law, morality or previous cases has not been followed.
Its a knee jerk reaction catering to public opinion. Its wrong.

 

[Danidl]

This is not your business. If you want to interfere, go to the person and help them directly.

Agreed, it is not my business. I am not a pawn whose citizenship can be erased by an administrative fiat. I am a citizen in a republic,the powers of which government are limited by a constitution. I will remain post March in a supranational organisation called tge EU which will also vindicate those rights. You on the other hand are happy to have no rights. Just because a Minister makes a decision which is popular with you ,does not make the process valid. What will your response be when the next group to be targetted with expulsion are drug smugglers,then paedophiles,then catholics, then west ham supporters.... Your silence now is complicity.

 

[Zlatan]

Agreed, it is not my business. I am not a pawn whose citizenship can be erased by an administrative fiat. I am a citizen in a republic,the powers of which government are limited by a constitution. I will remain post March in a supranational organisation called tge EU which will also vindicate those rights. You on the other hand are happy to have no rights. Just because a Minister makes a decision which is popular with you ,does not make the process valid. What will your response be when the next group to be targetted with expulsion are drug smugglers,then paedophiles,then catholics, then west ham supporters.... Your silence now is complicity.

I, m afraid I totally agree this time Danidl.
Interestingly, will she lose her EU citizenship?? Its not April yet.

 

[Danidl]

Apparently Danidl she can only have her UK citizenship removed if she has dual citizenship. She also hss Bangladeshi... But I agree with you.
I think this has been political expediency and catering to social media. I wonder who will get invoved in appeals process... ECJ...???? Just a thought.
(apologies, was replying to Danidl not 50)
The rule of law, morality or previous cases has not been followed.
Its a knee jerk reaction catering to public opinion. Its wrong.

From what I picked up,she is potentially eligible to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, on the basis her mothers birthplace,not that she is herself is a Bangladesh. That is unbelievably sloppy and cavalier by your Home Office. She is still an EU citizen, so has every right to appeal to the ECJ.

 

[50Hertz]

Agreed, it is not my business. I am not a pawn whose citizenship can be erased by an administrative fiat. I am a citizen in a republic,the powers of which government are limited by a constitution. I will remain post March in a supranational organisation called tge EU which will also vindicate those rights. You on the other hand are happy to have no rights. Just because a Minister makes a decision which is popular with you ,does not make the process valid. What will your response be when the next group to be targetted with expulsion are drug smugglers,then paedophiles,then catholics, then west ham supporters.... Your silence now is complicity.

I’m not aware of any plans to expand the policy beyond the adult in question.

Now let’s hear no more about the subject. It’s been dealt with and can be forgotten.

 

[Zlatan]

From what I picked up,she is potentially eligible to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, on the basis her mothers birthplace,not that she is herself is a Bangladesh. That is unbelievably sloppy and cavalier by your Home Office. She is still an EU citizen, so has every right to appeal to the ECJ.

Which is what I think its about. ECJ will rule in her favour, another example of our lost sovereignty.????? (or hers depending on outcome)

 

[Danidl]

I’m not aware of any plans to expand the policy beyond the adult in question.

Now let’s hear no more about the subject. It’s been dealt with and can be forgotten.

Sorry you do not get to dictate what I or others write. You may choose to respond or not.

 

[Zlatan]

I’m not aware of any plans to expand the policy beyond the adult in question.

Now let’s hear no more about the subject. It’s been dealt with and can be forgotten.

I, m sorry 50,life isnt like that. This case is wrong. When was she tried and what was she convicted of. At least a trial had taken place when we exiled "criminals".
And this case is extremely pertinent to Brexit. Its the crux of why we are leaving. To have control over such things as this, unfortunately in this case we have demonstrated very poor reasoning and made a terrible mistake. UK to my mind stands for justice, fairness and tolerance. We have shown none in this case.
I, m not for a moment suggesting we should excuse or pardon Begum. She should be made to come home to face trial. Leaving her abroad to fester hate will not help anyone.

 

[50Hertz]

Sorry you do not get to dictate what I or others write. You may choose to respond or not.

I understand perfectly, but I completely disagree with you.

 

[50Hertz]

I, m sorry 50,life isnt like that. This case is wrong. When was she tried and what was she convicted of. At least a trial had taken place when we exiled "criminals".

She isn’t being sentenced or punished, which is the end product of a successful investigation and trial.

She is being allowed to fulfill her ambition of leaving the U.K. and all of it’s values. I know some will mock those values and say they are flawed, but she chose to exchange what she had here, good or bad, for a life in the IS. She is completely at ease with beheading and displays no remorse in her interviews. She only wants to return now because the IS life she chose over U.K. life is disintegrating.

So this is not a sentence, it is the granting of a freedom to follow the life she chose. She will not now need to return to the U.K. and live a life in a country and amongst people that she despises. What is unjust about that?

 

[Nev]

Yes Corbyn is certainly resolute in his ambition to make the Labour Party entirely unelectable for a decade. It looks like we are going to be stuck with TM.

It's surprising how the membership (not MPs) seem to be still behind him. Given the awful job TM is doing over Brexit, I think a ventrioquists dummy would be ahead of her in the polls. You have to give him some credit for being so poor he is still behind her. I like many of the Labour policies but I am not sure I can vote for them again with him as leader.

 

[Danidl]

She isn’t being sentenced or punished, which is the end product of a successful investigation and trial.

She is being allowed to fulfill her ambition of leaving the U.K. and all of it’s values. I know some will mock those values and say they are flawed, but she chose to exchange what she had here, good or bad, for a life in the IS. She is completely at ease with beheading and displays no remorse in her interviews. She only wants to return now because the IS life she chose over U.K. life is disintegrating.

So this is not a sentence, it is the granting of a freedom to follow the life she chose. She will not now need to return to the U.K. and live a life in a country and amongst people that she despises. What is unjust about that?

Believe what you wish, it does not make it true. It might help you sleep better at night.

 

[Woosh]

I think this has been political expediency and catering to social media. I wonder who will get invoved in appeals process... ECJ...???? Just a thought.

not the ECJ, it should be the ECHR but it won't go that far.
The UK Appeal Court will probably throw out Sajid Javis' decision and find in her favour, in about 3 years.
By then, it's all water under the bridge.

 

[50Hertz]

Believe what you wish, it does not it true. It might help you sleep better at night.

Good. Now let’s hear no more.

 

[Woosh]

I think a ventrioquists dummy would be ahead of her in the polls.

easier said etc.
who do you think can replace JC?

 

[Zlatan]

She isn’t being sentenced or punished, which is the end product of a successful investigation and trial.

She is being allowed to fulfill her ambition of leaving the U.K. and all of it’s values. I know some will mock those values and say they are flawed, but she chose to exchange what she had here, good or bad, for a life in the IS. She is completely at ease with beheading and displays no remorse in her interviews. She only wants to return now because the IS life she chose over U.K. life is disintegrating.

So this is not a sentence, it is the granting of a freedom to follow the life she chose. She will not now need to return to the U.K. and live a life in a country and amongst people that she despises. What is unjust about that?

Ofcourse she is being punished. She wants to return. She has a opinion, of which she is perfectly entitled, and because that opinion differs to yours she is not allowed "home".
Had she pretended remorse and feigned regret perhaps you would agree to allow her back.
What right have you or anyone else to decide arbitarily, essentially because of beliefs, that folk are exiled. Its straight from middle ages.
Suppose you go on holiday and commit some crime. I think you should be exiled. Why should a criminal be allowed back in. Its actually quite pathetic. Your response of move on, nothing to see here sums it up. Forget her. Perhaps the very attitudes that got us here in first place.
Our country has commited war crimes,if we were being fair with this process Tony Blair would have been exiled years ago.
Its wrong. Fact. We are not dealing with the issue, just hiding it away, with no evidence gathered or trial. How is that just?
You and I have not a clue what she has witnessed, been through or crimes she has committed. Yet she is being banished. Exactly what for? Witnessing beheadings? Leaving? Having had 3 kids by age 19? (2 have died)
Its wrong.
And stop telling posters what not to post about. Just dont read posts if you are not interested.

 

[flecc]

I take your point on that. It’s not beyond possibility that some companies have been “asked” not to quote Brexit when announcing their closures in return for, who knows what.

I'm quite sure that's the case. Certainly Toyota changed their tune on Brexit after receiving a big bung of cash, and now Honda after initially saying that Brexit was a factor are saying it definitely wasn't after having a chat with the Minister.
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[Nev]

who do you think can replace JC?

I would like to see someone more moderate such as Keir Starmer but the hard left have taken over the party now so doubt that would happen over the short term anyway. Perhaps in the next GE if Labour were trounced then people might start to wake up and realise GEs don't tend to get won by people on the extremes. That might then give someone like Starmer a chance of being Leader.

 

[50Hertz]

Ofcourse she is being punished. She wants to return. She has a opinion, of which she is perfectly entitled, and because that opinion differs to yours she is not allowed "home".
Had she pretended remorse and feigned regret perhaps you would agree to allow her back.
What right have you or anyone else to decide arbitarily, essentially because of beliefs, that folk are exiled. Its straight from middle ages.
Suppose you go on holiday and commit some crime. I think you should be exiled. Why should a criminal be allowed back in. Its actually quite pathetic. Your response of move on, nothing to see here sums it up. Forget her. Perhaps the very attitudes that got us here in first place.
Our country has commited war crimes,if we were being fair with this process Tony Blair would have been exiled years ago.
Its wrong. Fact. We are not dealing with the issue, just hiding it away, with no evidence gathered or trial. How is that just?
You and I have not a clue what she has witnessed, been through or crimes she has committed. Yet she is being banished. Exactly what for? Witnessing beheadings? Leaving? Having had 3 kids by age 19? (2 have died)
Its wrong.
And stop telling posters what not to post about. Just dont read posts if you are not interested.

You are one of the more rational and balanced posters on here, so I always pay attention to what you say. On this subject I have read your post thoroughly, but I can’t agree with you. We have widely varying opinions that I don’t think will ever meet, but I respect you and your opinion.

 

[Nev]

I'm quite sure that's the case. Certainly Toyota changed their tune on Brexit after receiving a big bung of cash, and now Honda after initially saying that Brexit was a factor are saying it definitely wasn't after having a chat with the Minister.
.

I thought this piece in the Guardian made a strong case as to why car makers don't want to blame Brexit for quitting Britain.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/carmakers-quitting-britain-wont-blame-brexit-its-not-in-their-interest