Brexit, for once some facts.

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You stand revealed for what you really are, a leave camp agitator.
A drone for the Adam Smith institute.
No wonder you are coming on here to be a nuisance!:D:D:D
nothing wrong with the Adam Institute and CapX where these people work.
the main problem is Tim Worstall isn't an economist, he works more like James Delingpole, writing articles for the right wing press.
 

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JC is probably right? Now I've heard it all.
Check the data. Not so long ago, we collected more in CT when the rate was at 27%.
JC has plenty of time to prepare his strategy, unlike Mrs May.
 
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nothing wrong with the Adam Institute and CapX where these people work.
the main problem is Tim Worstall isn't an economist, he works more like James Delingpole, writing articles for the right wing press.
Sorry I couldn't agree less, but it is nice to know what you are dealing with
 

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nothing wrong with the Adam Institute and CapX where these people work.
the main problem is Tim Worstall isn't an economist, he works more like James Delingpole, writing articles for the right wing press.
I like him. :)
 

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Still is the sort of rubbish outfits like "Standup4Brexit" are emailing around
“In this country, we’re resilient. We’ve got companies and corporations who have already found ways not to pay taxes. Are you going to tell me they’re not going to find a way to get a few lettuce from Spain to England?” #BBCQT #StandUp4Brexit

How the mighty have fallen, to the point of Smuggling to make ends meet
 

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Interesting fact: Only 9% of British businesses do any trade at all with the EU.
Why would that be surprising?. A local shop ,which is certainly a business will buy from a local distributor and sell locally. They will not see themselves as trading with the EU ,when they sell Danish bacon or Spanish Onions. If you look at the volume and value of local business in NI,even compared wuth their trade with the rest of the UK it is stiking. .. It is generally impossible to separate out these activities, but NI is a special case. ,.. because it is an island, subtracting off all the sales of goods as exports and transfers to the mainland,from the known GDP, leaves the amount of economic activity which is very local
 
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I like him. :)
when I picked up on your post about Tim W, I said he made some mistakes. I did read the article, checked his facts before getting back to the case of the 55,000 farmers whose fate he has no concern comparing to the number of consumers. The obvious case of Welsh sheep farmers was discussed frequently on TV, I thought you already knew about. My daughter is a journalist for AFP, so fact checking is something that I feel journalists must be good at in their daily routine. Those who don't check their facts are not serious.
 

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This is what the "Nothing Wrong with it " Adamsmith institute is all about.
But hey! this is in the Guardian, and as one of their allies Trunp would exclaim "It's all fake news"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks
US groups raise millions to support rightwing UK thinktanks
Anonymous donors have given $5.6m since 2008 to groups linked to four thinktanks
Millions of dollars has been raised from anonymous US donors to support British rightwing thinktanks that are among the most prominent in the Brexit debate.


American donors are giving money to US fundraising bodies that pass the donations to four thinktanks in Britain. A Guardian analysis has established that $5.6m (£4.3m) has been donated to these US entities since 2008.


The Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), the Adam Smith Institute, Policy Exchange and the Legatum Institute have all received financial support from US backers via this route.


The disclosure leaves the thinktanks facing questions as to whether wealthy Americans have undue influence in British politics, particularly over the form Brexit takes

The UK thinktanks are some of strongest proponents of radical free trade deals with reduced regulation – positions likely to benefit big American businesses, which have opposed Europe’s tighter regulations since the 2008 financial crash.

They are the enemy within our midst and here we have one of their self confessed supporters intent on mischief. :cool:
 

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when I picked up on your post about Tim W, I said he made some mistakes. I did read the article, checked his facts before getting back to the case of the 55,000 farmers whose fate he has no concern comparing to the number of consumers. The obvious case of Welsh sheep farmers was discussed frequently on TV, I thought you already knew about. My daughter is a journalist for AFP, so fact checking is something that I feel journalists must be good at in their daily routine. Those who don't check their facts are not serious.
What facts did he get wrong? I'll email him and see what he says.
 

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There is some controversy - but the accepted rate for total taxation on income is around 55% - anymore than that and revenue collected actually drops.
I don't think one can generalise, it depends too much on the society concerned. The Swedes are overall very happy with their 62% personal tax rate, some only receiving as little as 29% net income from their earnings. The secret there is the fairness of a well governed system giving high and very even living standards with obvious benefits in their society.

Not sure what the figure is on Corp tax - if Corbyn is going to set it at 27% you can pretty safely assume that's not the optimal figure but some politically motivated number - seeing as Corbyn's an economic idiot.
I think it will be McDonnell rather than Corbyn setting that, but I'm sure both would love to be able to tax at Swedish rates.
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Just over two weeks for the crisis centres to start operation. Plenty of time.

Perhaps this is Project Phew?

Officials warn of ‘putrefying’ rubbish after no-deal Brexit
Exclusive: leaked emails show officials planning crisis centres to manage halt in waste exports to EU
Government officials are preparing to deal with “putrefying stockpiles” of rubbish in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to documents leaked to the Guardian.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March, export licences for millions of tonnes of waste will become invalid overnight. Environment Agency (EA) officials said leaking stockpiles could cause pollution.

The EA is also concerned that if farmers cannot export beef and lamb, a backlog of livestock on farms could cause liquid manure stores to overflow. A senior MP said the problems could cause a public health and environmental pollution emergency. An EA source said: “It could all get very ugly, very quickly.”

The emails leaked to the Guardian were sent to EA staff, asking for 42 volunteers to staff crisis management centres that would deal with incidents. On Tuesday the chief executive of the civil service revealed plans to move up to 5,000 staff into an emergency command and control centre in the event of no deal.

An EA email sent on Thursday, labelled “importance: high”, said crisis centres could go live on 18 February and run from 7am to 8pm seven days a week, with plans to operate 24/7 if needed. To explain the potential tasks, the email gave two examples.

Rest of article:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/revealed-plan-to-deal-with-putrefying-stockpiles-of-rubbish-after-no-deal-brexit
 
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Just over two weeks for the crisis centres to start operation. Plenty of time.

Perhaps this is Project Phew?

Officials warn of ‘putrefying’ rubbish after no-deal Brexit
Exclusive: leaked emails show officials planning crisis centres to manage halt in waste exports to EU
Government officials are preparing to deal with “putrefying stockpiles” of rubbish in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to documents leaked to the Guardian.


If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March, export licences for millions of tonnes of waste will become invalid overnight. Environment Agency (EA) officials said leaking stockpiles could cause pollution.

The EA is also concerned that if farmers cannot export beef and lamb, a backlog of livestock on farms could cause liquid manure stores to overflow. A senior MP said the problems could cause a public health and environmental pollution emergency. An EA source said: “It could all get very ugly, very quickly.”

The emails leaked to the Guardian were sent to EA staff, asking for 42 volunteers to staff crisis management centres that would deal with incidents. On Tuesday the chief executive of the civil service revealed plans to move up to 5,000 staff into an emergency command and control centre in the event of no deal.

An EA email sent on Thursday, labelled “importance: high”, said crisis centres could go live on 18 February and run from 7am to 8pm seven days a week, with plans to operate 24/7 if needed. To explain the potential tasks, the email gave two examples.
Rest of article:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/revealed-plan-to-deal-with-putrefying-stockpiles-of-rubbish-after-no-deal-brexit
Sounds like Britain could become our Staten Island:

The Fresh Kills Landfill was a landfill covering 2,200 acres in the New York City borough of Staten Island in the United States. The name comes from the landfill's location along the banks of the Fresh Kills estuary in western Staten Island. The landfill was opened in 1948 as a temporary landfill but by 1955 it became the largest landfill in the world and remained so until its closure in 2001. At the peak of its operation, in 1986, Fresh Kills received 29,000 tons of residential waste per day. From 1991 until its closing it was the only landfill to receive New York City's residential waste. It consists of four mounds which range in height from 90 to approximately 225 feet and hold approximately 150 million tons of solid waste.
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I think it will be McDonnell rather than Corbyn setting that, but I'm sure both would love to be able to tax at Swedish rates.
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Not sure what the figure is on Corp tax - if Corbyn is going to set it at 27% you can pretty safely assume that's not the optimal figure but some politically motivated number - seeing as Corbyn's an economic idiot.
UK CT rate was 30% under Tony Blair. When the 2008 depression happened, under Gordon Brown, CT was reduced it to 27%, then under David Cameron, gradually down to 20%.
John McDonnell plans to return it to 27%, roughly world average.
Income as percentage of GDP fell correspondingly from 3% of GDP to 2.5% of GDP.
It goes to show that JC is right to bring it back to 27% for estimated receipt of 2.75% GDP

@James: Laffer curve is just an observation. Tax models are complicated, Laffer tried to simplify the theory for politicians, for that he deserves credit but for academia, it has no educational value.



 
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UK CT rate was 30% under Tony Blair. When the 2008 depression happened, under Gordon Brown, CT was reduced it to 27%, then under David Cameron, gradually down to 20%.
John McDonnell plans to return it to 27%, roughly world average.
Income as percentage of GDP fell correspondingly from 3% of GDP to 2.5% of GDP.
It goes to show that JC is right to bring it back to 27% for estimated receipt of 2.75% GDP

@James: Laffer curve is just an observation. Tax models are complicated, Laffer tried to simplify the theory for politicians, for that he deserves credit but for academia, it has no educational value.



He needs to get into power first.

We shall see.
 

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