Brexit, for once some facts.

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Really? Sounds to me like he is saying the end result will be a reduction in the value of the land. Whats factually wrong about that? Sounds about right to me. Which means rents will go down ie landowners will 'suffer'. I don't see that as factually incorrect at all.
the price of farmland varies even before the referendum.




in order to quantify the brexit factor, import duty, regulatory regime, planning law, available farm labour, exchange rates and even annual rainfall need to be factored into your model.

If you say price = function of (import duty), that looks plausible but in practice, that function is impossible to be coded as a one to one relationship. Economic models are essentially complex. Anyone tries to simplify it runs a very big risk. Would you short farmland stock at the moment?
 
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But as simplistic as ever. He always does this, making something look like a simple solution when it isnt. What he's suggesting is just kicking the can down the road for two years, then landing us back at today.

Once is enough thanks, I don't want this dispute all over again in two years time, nor do I want the trade talks to be delayed two years or more.

There's nothing fanatical about the EU position, they just want us to leave on the leave terms we agreed to when we signed up to all the previous treaties and that we again agreed to when the present negotiations started.

Far from being rigid, the EU has also varied the article 50 terms to allow us to delay it or even withdraw it if either would be helpful.
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Not at all.

I wouldn’t call myself a Farage fan but what he says there makes eminent sense. It’s not kicking the can down the road at all. It’s the start of real negotiations on trade. The EUs deal is not acceptable to us. It was made with an inept prime minister and roundly rejected by our parliament. The EU needs to grasp this. They are being rigid. They pretend to be bewildered and but why would you leave us and We have given you a great exit. It’s nonsense and everyone knows it. Well apart from some fan boys on here of course

The hard Brexit stance is hardening. Oooer. The EU is being logical to their rules but in reality it’s is entirely illogical in the modern world.

Their intransigence is going to scar them for a long time. The Irish are meek and won’t kick up a fuss but Italian and French farmers, Spanish growers, German manufacturers will riot once they realise what the EU fanatics have done.

For once I agree with Farage. Keep it simple and use the 2 years to organise the trade deals.
 

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Try arguing with what is actually said rather than dismiss what is actually being said simply because of who is saying it or 'where they get their funding'.

Engage with the argument - not the source.

Or not.

As I keep saying it's still - just - a free country.
Not if you are bought and sold by the American Corporates as the hangers on of the Adam Smith institute are
Sorry no time for people like that and their intent on selling out to another country.
Why should I give credence to the opinion of people in the pay of another country that wants to damage ours, rip off it's institutions and impose control on it?
The Adam Smith institute wants to give up the control we had while in the EU and put us under the control and ownership of American Corporations.
They want closing down, not giving oxygen.
Off you go, get some better material in support of "Make America Great Again"
 
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Not at all.

I wouldn’t call myself a Farage fan but what he says there makes eminent sense. It’s not kicking the can down the road at all. It’s the start of real negotiations on trade. The EUs deal is not acceptable to us. It was made with an inept prime minister and roundly rejected by our parliament. The EU needs to grasp this. They are being rigid. They pretend to be bewildered and but why would you leave us and We have given you a great exit. It’s nonsense and everyone knows it. Well apart from some fan boys on here of course

The hard Brexit stance is hardening. Oooer. The EU is being logical to their rules but in reality it’s is entirely illogical in the modern world.

Their intransigence is going to scar them for a long time. The Irish are meek and won’t kick up a fuss but Italian and French farmers, Spanish growers, German manufacturers will riot once they realise what the EU fanatics have done.

For once I agree with Farage. Keep it simple and use the 2 years to organise the trade deals.
They will all sign up to Mays deal
 
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Apparently even the right wing "Think tanks" (Oxymoron there)
Are still worried they haven't been able to con the British Public as mush as they like, they even go so far as the ponder how to Brainwash them even further.
This is an old 2017 publication but it shows what these creatures intend.

https://www.li.com/activities/publications/public-opinion-in-the-post-brexit-era-economic-attitudes-in-modern-britain
A landmark study of public opinion in the UK post the General Election has found that there is widespread support for Labour’s nationalisation agenda and much less support for free enterprise.


Public opinion in the post-Brexit era—written by our Senior Fellow Matthew Elliott and co-authored with Populus’ James Kanagasooriam—paints an unvarnished picture of what the public think about enterprise, regulation, big business, banks, nationalisation, capitalism and socialism, suggesting that support for capitalism is in crisis. It suggests that economic attitudes in the country are further to the left than is widely appreciated, posing a challenge for those who have seen at first hand the power of competition, entrepreneurship and free trade to drive prosperity.


This report is the beginning of a new phase of work at the Legatum Institute. Having published reports on the Dutch, French and German elections this year, looking at right-wing populists such as Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen and the Alternative für Deutschland, Matthew Elliott will now be looking more closely at left-wing populists. This research will not just cover Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party, but also Bernie Sanders in the US, the GreenLeft in the Netherlands, Jean-Luc Mélenchon in France and The Left in Germany. Having witnessed the growing popularity of populist ideas, we intend to explore the reasons for these attitudes and identify what can be done—by opinion-formers, politicians and the public —to explain the case for free enterprise more effectively.
Key findings



The findings are based on a landscape poll conducted at the end of the summer by Populus, which indicates that the majority of the British public:


  • Favour public ownership of the UK’s water (83%), electricity (77%), gas (77%) and railway (76%) sectors (Fig. 3.2a, p.15)
  • Believe taxes should rise to provide more funding for the NHS (Fig. 3.3b, p.19)
  • Support higher levels of regulation (Fig. 3.3a, p.18)
  • Favour wage caps for CEOs (Fig. 3.4a, p.22)
  • Favour worker representation at senior executive and board level (Fig. 3.4a, p.22)
  • Support the abolition of zero hour contracts (Fig. 3.3a, p.18)
  • Hold an unfavourable view of ‘capitalism’ as a concept, viewing it as ‘greedy’, ‘selfish’ and ‘corrupt’ (Fig 3.1a, p. 9)
  • Hold a more favourable view of ‘socialism’ than ‘capitalism’ (Fig 3.1f, p. 12)

Commenting on the report, the Legatum Institute’s Matthew Elliott said:


“The findings of our polling are concerning for anyone committed to the principles of free enterprise. Competition entrepreneurship and free trade are all essential to achieving prosperity, not to simply generate profit for businesses, but to extend opportunity to all.


“Whilst for many the result of this year’s General Election came as a shock, our polling points to a deep undercurrent of frustration which has been fermenting since the financial crisis.


“It is clear that those of us who believe passionately in free enterprise need to up our game. We need to redouble our effort in the battle of ideas, because populist thinking has a superficial attraction and we need to better articulate the case for free enterprise, which is the most effective path to prosperity.”


A least it's nice to know they are worried that they are losing the plot, watch out for liars and a propaganda war for "hearts and minds"
 
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oldgroaner

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Not at all.

I wouldn’t call myself a Farage fan but what he says there makes eminent sense. It’s not kicking the can down the road at all. It’s the start of real negotiations on trade. The EUs deal is not acceptable to us. It was made with an inept prime minister and roundly rejected by our parliament. The EU needs to grasp this. They are being rigid. They pretend to be bewildered and but why would you leave us and We have given you a great exit. It’s nonsense and everyone knows it. Well apart from some fan boys on here of course

The hard Brexit stance is hardening. Oooer. The EU is being logical to their rules but in reality it’s is entirely illogical in the modern world.

Their intransigence is going to scar them for a long time. The Irish are meek and won’t kick up a fuss but Italian and French farmers, Spanish growers, German manufacturers will riot once they realise what the EU fanatics have done.

For once I agree with Farage. Keep it simple and use the 2 years to organise the trade deals.
It may not be acceptable to you but the deal signed will be Brino not Brexit
 
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Why hasn’t the EU guaranteed the rights of UK citizens living in the EU like we have to theirs?
 

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The news is full about using the CE logo and standard after no deal Brexit. My understanding is that CE marked product can continue to be sold in both the U.K. and EU. In the future CE tested product from say China will be able to be sold in both U.K. and EU. It is said for a limited time period,but no time limit is stated.
However product made in the U.K. will have to be tested to a new standard ,named UKAC, that product will also have to be tested to CE standard if it is to be sold in the EU.....the testing bodies in the U.K. will not be qualified to test to EU,that testing will have to be done in the EU.
So Chinese product made to CE standard can be sold anywhere but U.K. product made to the new UKCA standard can only be sold in the U.K.
That seems a massive problem for U.K. manufacturers and a deterrent to manufacturing in the U.K. ,might as well manufacture in Asia and let the Chinese make and test to CE standard.
Doesn’t Brexit just get better every day.!!! Hehe
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A least it's nice to know they are worried that they are losing the plot, watch out for liars and a propaganda war for "hearts and minds"
in managerial speak: they are 'opinion formers' .
there ought to be a law against propagators of fake news like law against fake goods.
 

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The news is full about using the CE logo and standard after no deal Brexit. My understanding is that CE marked product can continue to be sold in both the U.K. and EU. In the future CE tested product from say China will be able to be sold in both U.K. and EU.
However product made in the U.K. will have to be tested to a new standard ,named UKAC, that product will also have to be tested to CE standard if it is to be sold in the EU.....the testing bodies in the U.K. will not be qualified to test to EU,that testing will have to be done in the EU.
So Chinese product made to CE standard can be sold anywhere but U.K. product made to the new UKCA standard can only be sold in the U.K.
That seems a massive problem for U.K. manufacturers and a deterrent to manufacturing in the U.K. ,might as well manufacture in Asia and let the Chinese make and test to CE standard.
Doesn’t Brexit just get better every day.!!! Hehe
KudosDave
Dyson is going to have a lot of Friends over to join him!
 
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I don't understand your response to Fingers's question. He asked why the EU has not reciprocated the assurances that the UK Government has given to EU citizens from outside the UK currently living here?

It seems like quite a reasonable question to me.
 
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Most people really give a flying f&&k about labels - they go on taste and what we read in the press and what our friends say. People are not the rational creatures you think they are.
Exactly .. which is why we have professionals,with ethical standards entrusted to protect us. Our supply chains are now so convoluted that we need that. Once all that was necessary was to ensure that a weight was correct,when the corn was locally grown hence the weights and measures act,but the workd is more complex now.
I am reliably informed that antifreeze added to wine makes it sweeter and people who go on taste will enjoy it...even after they go blind. melamine powder added to milk makes it even whiter , and therefore more attractive,the tumours are an added bonus.
 

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Not if you are bought and sold by the American Corporates as the hangers on of the Adam Smith institute are
Sorry no time for people like that and their intent on selling out to another country.
Why should I give credence to the opinion of people in the pay of another country that wants to damage ours, rip off it's institutions and impose control on it?
The Adam Smith institute wants to give up the control we had while in the EU and put us under the control and ownership of American Corporations.
They want closing down, not giving oxygen.
Off you go, get some better material in support of "Make America Great Again"
OK. Never mind.
 

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Dyson is going to have a lot of Friends over to join him!
You are correct,it reminds me of the difficulties of getting TUV standard in the U.K. The Germans insisted on TUV,very difficult and expensive to achieve in the U.K.,easy for a German......TUV set up a chain of testing centres in China but this was never offered to the U.K.
Brexit is going to make the U.K. very isolated,the very opposite that Brexiters are trying to convince us.....Dyson realised that if you want to take advantage of the opportunities offered by the Asian tiger growth economies you have to manufacture in Asia.At the same time meeting EU standards,will they bother to manufacture to the new UKAC standard?
The CE standard is accepted by many of the smaller economies of the world,I doubt whether the U.K. standard will ever gain the same uptake.
KudosDave
 

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