Brexit, for once some facts.

[RobF]

From the Telegraph this morning
"
Theresa May will trigger Brexit negotiations without Commons vote
Theresa May will not hold a parliamentary vote on Brexit before opening negotiations to formally trigger Britain's withdrawal from the European Union, The Telegraph has learned.

Opponents of Brexit claim that because the EU referendum result is advisory it must be approved by a vote in the Commons before Article 50 - the formal mechanism to leave the EU - is triggered.

However, in a move which will cheer Eurosceptics, The Telegraph has learned that Mrs May will invoke Article 50 without a vote in Parliament
Mrs May has consulted Government lawyers who have told the Prime Minister she has the executive power to invoke Article 50 and begin the formal process of exiting the European Union without a vote in Parliament.

Her decision will come as a blow to Remain campaigners, who had been hoping to use Parliament to delay or halt Brexit entirely.
"
And in the attached Poll 65% support her doing this.

If this becomes true we will have an Unelected Prime Minister taking action and usurping the power of parliament.

I love it! an end to parliamentary democracy, mob rule and a descent into chaos.
Whats not to like?asks that nice Mr Putin, just a little worrying that a nation run by Mob rule has Trident.
Great! invoke Article 50 today, and let the "Fun" begin.

Calm down.

May was elected twice, as an MP and as leader of the Conservative Party.

She is not usurping anything, she is doing the job given to her by the electorate - get out of the EU.

That is parliamentary democracy in action, an end to it would be if the MPs ignored the referendum.

Putin is irrelevant one way or the other.

Your anarchic pretend-support for Brexit is childish, and does yet more to discredit your already failed and rejected cause.

 

[oldgroaner]

Calm down.

May was elected twice, as an MP and as leader of the Conservative Party.

She is not usurping anything, she is doing the job given to her by the electorate - get out of the EU.

That is parliamentary democracy in action, an end to it would be if the MPs ignored the referendum.

Putin is irrelevant one way or the other.

Your anarchic pretend-support for Brexit is childish, and does yet more to discredit your already failed and rejected cause.

Congratulations RobF as you have just confirmed that the Eu commissioners are not "Unelected" as they have been placed into office the same way.
May was not elected in a General Election as the prime minister of the Conservative party, was she?
And as to actuating Article 50 without a vote in parliament, this is far from Parliamentary Democracy in action as Cameron knew he did not have the executive power to offer to invoke article 50 if the vote went for Brexit, and all and sundry apart from the voters knew it did not carry the power of law.
No way can you argue otherwise is there?
Sorry but the referendum is nothing more than a recommendation.and after all this is the SECOND advisory referendum on the EU remember?

And my support of Article 50 is not childish, it is in fact rather sporting to support a so obviously stupid a decision in the hope of being proved wrong, about it, even though there is absolutely no reason whatever, no evidence, no plan and it has no real chance of success.

You will rapidly find out after Brexit what the truth is, and that is why I support Article 50, that support is based on logic, as quite simply the only way to prove the case is to engage in it.,
Even the slowest thinking Brexit supporter will find out whether they made the right decision, as no amount of lying by the press will be able to hide the truth of the situation we find ourselves in.

A Referendum vote by the way does not discredit a cause, following the path recommended by the Referendum is the only way to do that
I wish your cause the best of luck, though a miracle or two would be more useful, or even a plan?

And do try to refrain from sarcastic comments, they are a waste of time.
Not impressed.

 

[RobF]

Congratulations RobF as you have just confirmed that the Eu commissioners are not "Unelected" as they have been placed into office the same way.
May was not elected in a General Election as the prime minister of the Conservative party, was she?
And as to actuating Article 50 without a vote in parliament, this is far from Parliamentary Democracy in action as Cameron knew he did not have the executive power to offer to invoke article 50 if the vote went for Brexit, and all and sundry apart from the voters knew it did not carry the power of law.
No way can you argue otherwise is there?
Sorry but the referendum is nothing more than a recommendation.and after all this is the SECOND advisory referendum on the EU remember?

And my support of Article 50 is not childish, it is in fact rather sporting to support a so obviously stupid a decision in the hope of being proved wrong, about it, even though there is absolutely no reason whatever, no evidence, no plan and it has no real chance of success.

You will rapidly find out after Brexit what the truth is, and that is why I support Article 50, that support is based on logic, as quite simply the only way to prove the case is to engage in it.,
Even the slowest thinking Brexit supporter will find out whether they made the right decision, as no amount of lying by the press will be able to hide the truth of the situation we find ourselves in.

A Referendum vote by the way does not discredit a cause, following the path recommended by the Referendum is the only way to do that
I wish your cause the best of luck, though a miracle or two would be more useful, or even a plan?

And do try to refrain from sarcastic comments, they are a waste of time.
Not impressed.

I am not being sarcastic, your pretend support of Brexit to produce anarchy is childish when you, presumably, believe in remaining.

I say 'presumably' because your endless stream of wordy posts mean even someone who could be bothered to plough through them all may not understand what you want.

May's position is not so unusual, there is nothing to see there.

The only people who ever 'elected' a Prime Minister are those who happen to live in the constituency of the leader of the party which forms a Government.

There will be no massive Brexit 'truth', because it won't make that much difference overall as the years pass.

My view is we are better off out, but it wouldn't be a catastrophe had we stayed.

The only big mess in this situation would be if we had failed to abide by the result of the referendum, irrespective of which way that went.

 

[oldgroaner]

I am not being sarcastic, your pretend support of Brexit to produce anarchy is childish when you, presumably, believe in remaining.

I say 'presumably' because your endless stream of wordy posts mean even someone who could be bothered to plough through them all may not understand what you want.

May's position is not so unusual, there is nothing to see there.

The only people who ever 'elected' a Prime Minister are those who happen to live in the constituency of the leader of the party which forms a Government.

There will be no massive Brexit 'truth', because it won't make that much difference overall as the years pass.

My view is we are better off out, but it wouldn't be a catastrophe had we stayed.

The only big mess in this situation would be if we had failed to abide by the result of the referendum, irrespective of which way that went.

"I am not being sarcastic, your pretend support of Brexit to produce anarchy is childish when you, presumably, believe in remaining."

You are doing it again, is sarcasm some sort of compulsion?
I explained my reasoning, and once again all you can do is criticise that and offer absolutely nothing positive to indicate that Brexit will be a success other than Hope it will.
Not a good enough reason to risk the future of the country is it?
If Brexit is so good, there won't be anarchy will there?
So why do you object to may saying let's give it a try.
Have you no confidence or simply because you object to my belief that the result will not be the one you prefer?
This fetish over Brexit is beginning to look like some sort of religious belief where faith provides it's own reality.
There is nothing to be gained and a great deal to lose, and the only way to prove that one way or the other is to do it.
What's your problem with me proposing that?
And by the way , I have indicated many times, what I want is a United States of Europe.
But that is long term, the EU as it stands will serve for now.

 

[anotherkiwi]

The price of Cheddar has gone down in the supermarket

Converted some more pounds to dollars yesterday on paypal

The ups and downs of an announced Brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

The price of Cheddar has gone down in the supermarket

Converted some more pounds to dollars yesterday on paypal

The ups and downs of an announced Brexit

Shouldn't that be more "legendary threat" than "Announced"?

 

[trex]

the brexit press gets a bit desparate don't you think?
wonder who their sources are.

 

[RobF]

the brexit press gets a bit desparate don't you think?
wonder who their sources are.

The only desperation is from remainers, particularly those remainers whose businesses rely on cheap imported goods.

Or those remainers who cannot accept the simple truth - we are leaving the EU.

Of course, in a lot of cases they are one and the same.

 

[oldgroaner]

The only desperation is from remainers, particularly those remainers whose businesses rely on cheap imported goods.

Or those remainers who cannot accept the simple truth - we are leaving the EU.

Of course, in a lot of cases they are one and the same.

Oh, I do so hope we do RobF, and the sooner the better!

 

[oldgroaner]

the brexit press gets a bit desparate don't you think?
wonder who their sources are.

Haven't you heard IDS has declared the existence of the Tory equivalent of the Labour Momentum movement.
Tory Version is called "Neverendum"
Obviously this came from them!

 

[trex]

well, they are not very successful politicians before and have nothing better to do. If that keeps them from bigger mischief, then it's good really.

 

[oldgroaner]

well, they are not very successful politicians before and have nothing better to do. If that keeps them from bigger mischief, then it's good really.

"keeps the hooligans off the streets" Style of thing?

 

[trex]

true enough. It's amazing that moderate brexiters can't or won't separate themselves from those trump style politicians that earn the tory the label 'the nasty party'.

 

[oldtom]

Mrs May has consulted Government lawyers who have told the Prime Minister she has the executive power to invoke Article 50 and begin the formal process of exiting the European Union without a vote in Parliament.

You really couldn't make this up! I wonder if the lawyers are the same ones whose advice gave Tony B-liar his authority to ignore the UN and go to war unilaterally.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

You really couldn't make this up! I wonder if the lawyers are the same ones whose advice gave Tony B-liar his authority to ignore the UN and go to war unilaterally.

Tom

It would appear that given the right financial reward lawyers are willing to sanction mob rule.

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[Kudoscycles]

I have a friend who works at Boris's office...he advised that Brexit has made a quantum leap forward....Boris has ordered his new colour keyed stapler and pencil sharpener,Article 50 is just around the corner,hehe.
These guys aren't even trying to get Brexit going,what is May up to?
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

The papers are full of May triggering Article 50 without a vote in parliament,note these reports seem mainly from Murdoch rags and are quoted as 'informed sources'
It doesn't say how she is going to overcome repealing the European Communities Act,as a statute that can only be repealed by parliament.
If she tries to use the Royal Prerogative to trigger Article 50 that will for sure action a judicial review,if you Google 'Theresa May,judicial review' she has history of losing such reviews as Home Secretary re Asylum seekers and overstaying students,she won't be in a hurry to lose another one.
Also such a review would have to be referred to the Supreme Court and amazingly the European Parliament,via the Lords,that will take years.
Theresa May,Boris,Davis and Fox are being heavily criticised for not moving Brexit forward,that is because they are doing nothing. So Theresa May has to appear she is still positive towards Brexit,hence such statements which really mean nothing,we still don't know what Brexit means.
If they were serious shouldn't we have a Brexit roadmap by now?
KudosDave

 

[RobF]

Unless you are in the cabinet, you cannot know what is - or is not - being done to prepare for Brexit.

Seems likely to me the story was put out with May's blessing as a gentle reality check to all those who somehow think Brexit won't happen.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Sir Andrew Cahn,ex CEO of UK trade and investment,with a staff of 2500 and budget of £400million has estimated to replicate by the UK all the EU trade deals and directives currently in hand with 53 countries would take 20 years to complete,will we be still discussing Brexit on this forum in 2035?
20 years!
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Unless you are in the cabinet, you cannot know what is - or is not - being done to prepare for Brexit.

Seems likely to me the story was put out with May's blessing as a gentle reality check to all those who somehow think Brexit won't happen.

Agreed,Theresa May felt after coming back from her holiday that she and her team appeared to have done nothing to further Brexit so she needed some statement to reassure all the leavers that she is still actively pursuing Brexit....to be honest haven't many of the leavers lost interest already,they had their moment of power on June 23/24.
KudosDave