They were tory not so lite imo mate.
The devastating ppi contracts were a wet dream even thatcher couldn't envision
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They were tory not so lite imo mate.
The devastating ppi contracts were a wet dream even thatcher couldn't envision
As far as policies and behaviour they sure were but those supporting them certainly werent.
And Blair invented and created the academy schools that the Tories have enthusiastically adopted, a purist Tory concept if ever there was one.
Regardless of who voted for them, New Labour was 100% Tory, founded by a wealthy and privileged barrister with his equally advantaged barrister wife.
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What Woosh was outlining were the options available to the DUP..not suggesting either course .
What the DUP needs to realise, they probably do ,as they are not altogether stupid,is that they do not have popular support for the crash out scenario. They do have support for a non united ireland position,but not for a crash out. It is only because they have successfully vetoed having a parliament in NI for 2 years that it is not apparent.
All responsible political opinion in the South, has echoed the view that we will not be seeking a united ireland irrespective of Brexit,so that will provide comfort to those unionists who wish for the union with EU to continue, and still want the union with mainland Britain.
What are the chances that the DUP will be badly stung in any new NI election when they cannot play the" no surrender" card?
Can you see the 5000 Shorts employees being enthusiastic for a vote putting their sub contract to Airbus in any doubt? ..especially as they lost 10% of the workforce recently.
Agreed there are quite a few policies Blair championed that Tories have run with. He also dealt with unions in a much more tory fashion after using them to help gain power. As to wether he was Tory or Labour is arguing semantics and pointless.
What is beyond dispute is the damage he did to foreign relations, our country and more specifically the Labour party. Had he actually been tory it would have been better for labour, the repercussions and poor image of the labour party can be put firmly at his feet. Without Blair I very much doubt we would have Corbyn leading labour. Unfortunately he was representing the Labour party and more unfortunately with Tory policies.
Whatever any one thinks he was a Labour prime minister.
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UKIP / BNP / Farage / Brexit supporting numpties go copycat with French fuel protestors but with an interesting list of what they're supporting...
you have to take the long term view.
NI is stuck with the ROI even more than with the UK.
It can break away from the UK but cannot be economically survivable without sharing resources with Southern Ireland. In the long term, 30-50 years, if there is a rail tunnel linking Dublin to France, it would be more logical for NI to be united to Southern Ireland than to the UK.
WTO means border between NI and the ROI, I don't think the majority of people in NI would want that.
The EU27 has a gold plated credit card, guaranteed by the ECB, it can wait as long as you like for its brexit cheque. On the other hand, we stand to lose jobs big time starting as soon as the PMship passes on to a hard brexiter. The first priority for us is to insist that they take our money and give us an FTA.
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Far from pointless when not letting it die is a barrier to anyone else abusing a political position in that way.
True, an inevitable reaction to the New Labour right wing position, from New Labour to True Labour, left wing under Corbyn.
No, he never was. From the outset he campaigned and won as the New Labour, making it clear that it was not original left wing Labour to make it appear a middle of the road party to widen its political base. You've posted as much yourself. Hence New Labour was never Labour, just misappropriating the Labour name to deceive their former voters into thinking it still was.
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To hell with the rest of the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave
Says Colin ****
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave
Says Colin ****
crikey, child abuse...and/or "abuse of children" for the obtuse...that is hard coreUKIP / BNP / Farage / Brexit supporting numpties go copycat with French fuel protestors but with an interesting list of what they're supporting...
No, you are wrong flecc. No mention lof New Labour anywhere. Just labour. He attracted Labour voters and lots of Tories with his Tory Poliicies but he was Labour Leader. Says so in wicki.
No such Party as New Labour. Just a set of idealogies within the Labour party.
Wikipedia is wrong, not at all unusual. Blair had been in the Labour party, but to achieve power he only campaigned as New Labour, changing the party to that middle of the road position, against the will of many of his MPs, Corbyn included.
Now Corbyn has changed it back to true left wingLabour, against the will of the Blairites.
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Now Corbyn has changed it back to true left wingLabour, against the will of the Blairites.
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Like they say flecc, success has many fathers, failure an orphan. Without Labour party Blair would not have existed,he was a product of it and New Labour of him.
Obviously he must have headed the ball a few times more than was wise. At least Rugby is ,if belatedly, recognising the problem of cumulative head injury
Yes, fully agreed. New Labour is finished and I'm determined we'll never see it's like again. There's far to much dishonesty in politics already without this misrepresentation.
That's why I won't allow anyone to say New Labour was Labour unchallenged. It was a middle of the road party to the right of the LibDems and close to Conservatism.
I'm entirely happy for someone to create such a party with a new name, but Labour should remain on the left where it belongs, to balance the right wing extreme and preserve democracy.
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Again i don't want getting into the murky waters of personality politics, but Mr Blair was internationally recognised as a Labour party candidate, just as Mr Trump is recognised as the US Republican candidate. Wheter either or both of them espouse traditional party values,is what the Fr Ted TV series would have considered " an ecumenical matter"
See my last post.
Also Blair did not campaign as Labour, only as New Labour making it clear it was not the same. So not an "ecumenical matter", rather a Trojan Horse.
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