Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

You are still deluded. I do not hate the English.. they invented Rugby.

I will tell you how this works at a base level.

This year Waitrose had a lot of their ‘cheap’ turkeys from Eire. I knew this and I knew they would sell cheap late. Didn’t bother me, I was out Christmas Day. But Christmas Eve I knew they went out of date on the 26th. Silly Irish. MKe them last till the 28th at least. I still wanted a turkey. A turkey selling for £39 I bought for £7. I asked the manger how this works. He said it’s all sale and return. They show the farmers the receipts an they keep their return on the price. The price they sell at. So they make their percentage on £7. Waitrose that is. Next year. Will Waitrose give Irish farmers that deal?

I guarantee the Irish farmers made a massive return. People will still buy turkeys. And certainly not wait till the last minute like I did.

But cut to a hard Brexit next year and those Turkeys will be usurped by Norfolk turkeys.

I will say it was a lovely Turkey. But be careful what you wish for and realise who your friends are.

Without us you are ******.

 

[Fingers]

It genuinely was a lovely turkey. On my third day of eating it.

Fantastic beast. Nothing has been wasted.

The bones was made into soup.

 

[Danidl]

I will tell you how this works at a base level.

This year Waitrose had a lot of their ‘cheap’ turkeys from Eire. I knew this and I knew they would sell cheap late. Didn’t bother me, I was out Christmas Day. But Christmas Eve I knew they went out of date on the 26th. Silly Irish. MKe them last till the 28th at least. I still wanted a turkey. A turkey selling for £39 I bought for £7. I asked the manger how this works. He said it’s all sale and return. They show the farmers the receipts an they keep their return on the price. The price they sell at. So they make their percentage on £7. Waitrose that is. Next year. Will Waitrose give Irish farmers that deal?

I guarantee the Irish farmers made a massive return. People will still buy turkeys. And certainly not wait till the last minute like I did.

But cut to a hard Brexit next year and those Turkeys will be usurped by Norfolk turkeys.

I will say it was a lovely Turkey. But be careful what you wish for and realise who your friends are.

Without us you are ******.

And without us you go hungry, so we will both be full and satisfied.. Now do you think that that financial arrangement is going to survive a 20 % drop in sterling next year also?.

 

[oyster]

Anyone keeping track of current total cost of brexit?

I guess people who use the roads around these ports will be looking forward to the additional traffic. For which, no doubt, nothing has been planned nor money spent to increase capacity. The burden probably ending up on the local authorities - and residents.

Brexit: over £100m spent on extra ferries in case of no deal
Ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe would be used to ease Dover pressure

The Department for Transport has spent more than £100m on ferries to ease potential problems in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Documents outlining the £107.7m agreements say increased border checks in UK ports after Brexit could “cause delivery of critical goods to be delayed” in the event of no deal.

The Liberal Democrats described the move as “complete madness” and said public money was being spent recklessly in a last-minute bid to prepare for a no-deal outcome.

DfT has signed contracts with the French firm Brittany Ferries, the Danish company DFDS and the UK’s Seaborne Freight to ease pressure on Dover.

The additional crossings are understood to be the equivalent of around 10% of the current traffic on the Dover Strait and will see ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe used.

Contracts were not put out to tender. The DfT said it was responding to a “situation of extreme urgency” brought about by “unforeseeable events”.

DFDS was awarded a contract worth £47.3m, and Seaborne was a £13.8m deal. Brittany Ferries’ contract is worth £46.6m, with the company adding 19 return sailings to three routes between the UK and France.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/29/brexit-more-than-100m-spent-on-extra-ferries-in-case-of-no-deal

 

[Fingers]

Anyone keeping track of current total cost of brexit?

I guess people who use the roads around these ports will be looking forward to the additional traffic. For which, no doubt, nothing has been planned nor money spent to increase capacity. The burden probably ending up on the local authorities - and residents.

Brexit: over £100m spent on extra ferries in case of no deal
Ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe would be used to ease Dover pressure

The Department for Transport has spent more than £100m on ferries to ease potential problems in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Documents outlining the £107.7m agreements say increased border checks in UK ports after Brexit could “cause delivery of critical goods to be delayed” in the event of no deal.

The Liberal Democrats described the move as “complete madness” and said public money was being spent recklessly in a last-minute bid to prepare for a no-deal outcome.

DfT has signed contracts with the French firm Brittany Ferries, the Danish company DFDS and the UK’s Seaborne Freight to ease pressure on Dover.

The additional crossings are understood to be the equivalent of around 10% of the current traffic on the Dover Strait and will see ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe used.

Contracts were not put out to tender. The DfT said it was responding to a “situation of extreme urgency” brought about by “unforeseeable events”.

DFDS was awarded a contract worth £47.3m, and Seaborne was a £13.8m deal. Brittany Ferries’ contract is worth £46.6m, with the company adding 19 return sailings to three routes between the UK and France.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/29/brexit-more-than-100m-spent-on-extra-ferries-in-case-of-no-deal

Money isn't a problem. Its just bits of paper. We can print it till the cows come home.

Don't worry about money. Just numbers.

 

[Woosh]

Money isn't a problem. Its just bits of paper. We can print it till the cows come home.

Don't worry about money. Just numbers.

that worries me.
TM has a money tree.
JC has a money tree.

Money is the confidence in the country.
That's what our children and grand children will inherit.
If you print it on toilette paper then it's what it's worth.

 

[flecc]

Text book acceptance. Stockholm syndrome.

Yet another person who hasn't a clue what the Stockholm syndrome is.
.

 

[Fingers]

that worries me.
TM has a money tree.
JC has a money tree.

Money is the confidence in the country.
That's what our children and grand children will inherit.
If you print it on toilette paper then it's what it's worth.

Well the game was up 10 years ago I'm afraid.

The EU itself started 2 years ago printing 1.3 trillion bits of paper and calling it money. It has only slowed down since last November.

Capitalism has already failed. I have accepted it. Best we can do now is make hay till the new system comes into play. Corbyn gets it. May does too.

I give this system another 40 years at best. Could be 10.

 

[Fingers]

Yet another person who hasn't a clue what the Stockholm syndrome is.
.

Have you got an XL spreadsheet of these fools?

I hope so. Idiots.

 

[oyster]

Money isn't a problem. Its just bits of paper. We can print it till the cows come home.

Don't worry about money. Just numbers.

Internally, we could print and print and print. The government could do all sorts of things to try to keep things working.

Externally, our money is worth what the rest of the world thinks it is worth. The more we print, the less it will be worth.

If we imported nothing, might not be such an issue. But we do import, lots and lots, so it is a mega-issue.

 

[Woosh]

The EU itself started 2 years ago printing 1.3 trillion bits of paper and calling it money. It has only slowed down since last November.

that's just made the point for me.
the Pound has dropped in value since the the creation of the Euro.
A Pound was worth approximately 1.5 Euro then, a slow decline to 1.30 Euro before the referendum and 1.12 Euro now.
People put their life savings in the Pound, so talking about 'devaluation is just what the country needs' is like agreeing with Gordon Brown selling our gold reserve.

 

[Fingers]

that's just made the point for me.
the Pound has dropped in value since the the creation of the Euro.
A Pound was worth approximately 1.5 Euro then, a slow decline to 1.30 Euro before the referendum and 1.12 Euro now.
People put their life savings in the Pound, so talking about 'devaluation is just what the country needs' is like agreeing with Gordon Brown selling our gold reserve.

We printed around 370 to 500 billion bits of paper when capitalism failed. Some say it was as much as 750 billion.

The EU central bank printed more. But it got to like it and every crisis since then like the Greeks, the Irish, Portugal etc they just printed money more and more of it. Like confetti. As I say. It only stopped in November.

Trillions. The US debt is 3 trillion. Thats a lot. But it was built up over centuries.

The EU has printed over a third of that to prop up its system. In less than a decade.... It has failed.

It is all underwritten to the Germans. They are in the black to the complete debt of the rest of the rest of the EU. Us included.

It's astonishing really. But in reality this debt will never be paid back. Same as America. They will never pay back the Chinese. Never. The game is up.

It's all smoke and mirrors. I guess it always was but now its an open secret.

 

[Danidl]

Anyone keeping track of current total cost of brexit?

I guess people who use the roads around these ports will be looking forward to the additional traffic. For which, no doubt, nothing has been planned nor money spent to increase capacity. The burden probably ending up on the local authorities - and residents.

Brexit: over £100m spent on extra ferries in case of no deal
Ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe would be used to ease Dover pressure

The Department for Transport has spent more than £100m on ferries to ease potential problems in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Documents outlining the £107.7m agreements say increased border checks in UK ports after Brexit could “cause delivery of critical goods to be delayed” in the event of no deal.

The Liberal Democrats described the move as “complete madness” and said public money was being spent recklessly in a last-minute bid to prepare for a no-deal outcome.

DfT has signed contracts with the French firm Brittany Ferries, the Danish company DFDS and the UK’s Seaborne Freight to ease pressure on Dover.

The additional crossings are understood to be the equivalent of around 10% of the current traffic on the Dover Strait and will see ports in Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe used.

Contracts were not put out to tender. The DfT said it was responding to a “situation of extreme urgency” brought about by “unforeseeable events”.

DFDS was awarded a contract worth £47.3m, and Seaborne was a £13.8m deal. Brittany Ferries’ contract is worth £46.6m, with the company adding 19 return sailings to three routes between the UK and France.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/29/brexit-more-than-100m-spent-on-extra-ferries-in-case-of-no-deal

Well that really makes a lot of sense!. It's not the transit where the delay is likely to occur it's the processing at either end. .
The only possible point of increasing the tonnage available is that longer sea routes will be used,with more freight in the water at any time. More waste in time, in fuel, in manpower.. Brexit the gift which keeps on giving.

 

[Fingers]

Well that really makes a lot of sense!. It's not the transit where the delay is likely to occur it's the processing at either end. .
The only possible point of increasing the tonnage available is that longer sea routes will be used,with more freight in the water at any time. More waste in time, in fuel, in manpower.. Brexit the gift which keeps on giving.

Its true. The French will definitely try and cause disruption.

Your country will be hit hardest.

But what we will do to help you is to increase the access to Holland.

We got this Dan. Don't sweat it. Although it will cost you I'm afraid.

#soz

 

[oyster]

But what we will do to help you is to increase the access to Holland.

Funny how the article identifies several French ports but none in Dutchland.

 

[Woosh]

We printed around 370 to 500 billion bits of paper when capitalism failed. Some say it was as much as 750 billion.

The EU central bank printed more. But it got to like it and every crisis since then like the Greeks, the Irish, Portugal etc they just printed money more and more of it. Like confetti. As I say. It only stopped in November.

there is a difference.
The BoE and the ECB printed money to buy government bonds from banks to save them from bankruptcy.
TM and JC print money to import goods and buy back foreign investments.

 

[tillson]

Today I hear that Caroline Noakes (The minister for immigrants ) is in Dover pretending to be doing something about the good for nothing chancers washing up on uk shores aboard air beds. Dover is the wrong place, she needs to be positioned 50 metres of the French coast with a giant hat pin, popping air beds.

The BBC report: Only one of the Border Force's fleet of five cutters - specialist boats which the force describes as being capable of rescuing several migrant boats at the same time - is currently operational in the Dover Strait.

The above is excellent news and let’s hope that the one boat falls into disrepair very soon. The fewer rescue craft the better. We need defences to stop the boats landing and a fleet of landing craft to return any that do make it ashore in the U.K. straight back to the French coast.

There will be a huge loss of life soon, let us hope that it’s no one from the U.K. These mindless, selfish & sponging clowns are not needed or welcome in the U.K.

 

[tillson]

Well that really makes a lot of sense!. It's not the transit where the delay is likely to occur it's the processing at either end. .
The only possible point of increasing the tonnage available is that longer sea routes will be used,with more freight in the water at any time. More waste in time, in fuel, in manpower.. Brexit the gift which keeps on giving.

It is in no one’s interest for that to happen, so it won’t come about. It’s posturing and can be safety disregarded.

 

[flecc]

the Pound has dropped in value since the the creation of the Euro.
A Pound was worth approximately 1.5 Euro then, a slow decline to 1.30 Euro before the referendum and 1.12 Euro now.

That's the cost of Brexit so far, the money we use to buy what we need from elsewhere has lost a quarter of it's value. Adding tariffs will only make us even worse off in future.
.

 

[Fingers]

there is a difference.
The BoE and the ECB printed money to buy government bonds from banks to save them from bankruptcy.
TM and JC print money to import goods and buy back foreign investments.

Ultimately money is money.

I would have let the banks die and used the 'money' they gave to prop them up to the people who actually gave them the money in the first place.

And whoosh be fair. Corbyn has never done any of this.

If he had the chance he would use that 750 billion on infrastructure, services and industry. That investment would pay itself back in spades. Be it terms of quality of life or money paid back to the treasury.

Capitalism has failed. We are living in bastardised version suited only to keep the rich richer. Ws it ever thus?Trickle down. Lol. Even the term is an insult to hard working folk. You may have a trickle.

It's dying though.