Brexit, for once some facts.
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we'll have to pay half of that within the next 10 years even if we do not have a transition arrangement.
At the moment, brexit seems to go onto a 'we are in Europe but not Europeans!' bend.
Here I have to disagree, no other country's government in the EU wants to leave the union, and nor did ours when Cameron had his moment of stupidity. And at population level none of the other countries have a majority wishing to leave. That is a peculiarly British thing, a left over from the days of empire.
Of course there will always be differences as there are within countries, but the EU values are largely shared and there is a common desire for unity and all its implications.
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I am happy that we are a source of amusement. Before you continue your diatribe about givers and takers ,perhaps you might like to reflect a little. . Ireland was a net beneficiary of EU structural funding up until recently. . It was in that position because of the very poor state of infrastructure left by the English establishment who had had some 400 years of control. Tommie can perhaps enlighten you about the relative quality of our road networks up to our joining the EU.EEC.
The reference to the referenda has been clarified a few times, and either you are a slow learner or are being obtruse.
Now Ireland was still a commonwealth country until 1949, and had endured an economic war with UK in the period 1922 to 1935 approx. , and a physical war in the period 1919 to 1922. During all the 1970s to 1997 there was building up of a economic infrastructure with EU assistance,so that by 1998, we were becoming seriously wealthy. Of course this was against a backdrop of major retailing outlets and equity and landholding,ground rents etc, still being controlled by British stockholders making and retaining massive profits and using the law to keep it so.
In the period 2000 to 2006, we did get ahead of ourselves, after hundreds of years ,and with what was to us incredibly low interest rates we fueled a boom .. and were more vunerable than slower reacting economies.,when the market correction of 2008 arrived. .. yet when the dust settled, we have the more vibrant economy and an excellent road network.
Our treatment with the major nations in mainland Europe in recent decades has been much more fruitful, adult and respectful than any we have had with the UK. ..and this is very sad because we are very close neighbors.
As I have said on a few occasions ,the ball with respect to Brexit is fully and totally in the UK side of the court.
There is a line which when crossed transitions from being kind to being taken for a twat. Deliberately setting out to sea in an unsuitable craft with the specific expectation of someone else risking their life to pick you up and take you to another country so that you can enter it illegally, is taking people for fools. It is therefore not unkind to leave these unwanted chancers to the risks of the sea. If they go down, that’s tough poo.
PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's always our fault isn't it.
You are a caricature mate.
And don't hide behind your clarifications. You didn't want closer intergration and voted against it till you were told otherwise and had to vote again.
Get it right.
Or is you being deliberately wrong our fault as well?
Yes, it's always the fault of the English. It's such a terrible country that people for all over the globe are trying to reach its shores.
The fact remains that Ireland is effectively a German charity case being spoon fed money in return for smiling and towing the EU line. Your reference to events 400 years ago is hysterically funny and is worthy of no further comment. Your PM, Leo Varadkar behaves like a wind-up monkey in an amusement arcade and as I've said, the more the Germans keep stuffing Euro coins up his arse, the faster he dances. His spring will break one day and then his arms and legs will fall off. At that point the German EU will put him in the dustbin. But that's fine if you are comfortable with living like that. Respect due to some of you, they did vote against the humiliation first time around.
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I think that's naïve Woosh. The whole illegal entry strategy is based around being rescued from the channel and subsequently being landed in the UK. It's a cynical act calculated to exploit and abuse the charitable nature of the UK in the worst possible way. We are being taken for fools and we need to get tough by administering a hard lesson to these wasters.
people smuggling has gone on for ages, migrants don't need to be rescued and run the risk of being deported.
If anything, these people make a lot of us think again about how to deal with man made disasters: wars, famine and disregard for human rights.
This is nothing to do with smuggling, smuggling is a covert activity. What we are seeing here is overt and brazen. The intended outcome is to be picked up by a UK boat and taken ashore inside the UK. It is an act of deliberately putting oneself in peril in order to secure entry to the UK. It has total disregard for the crews of the rescue boats and other shipping in the area. Scum floating in the Channel.
These people are not refugees fleeing war and disaster. They are a complete waste of rations chancing their luck in order to hoover up free money in the UK. They are in a place of safety within France and have no need to flee that country, other than for selfish means. We don't want them, we don't need them and they are completely unwelcome and should be treated as such. If they want to visit the sea bed, they are very welcome their if that is their choice.
As for "Uman Rights" they have foregone those rights through their own acts of utter stupidity.
It's funny how the most vocal in defending this scum washing up on our shores are the most reluctant to help them. How about putting your money where your mouth is and taking a few in to live with you on a long term basis and financing their existence out of your personal income? Thought not, they might rape the family cat?
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I assume they have mobile phones. Did they call anyone to come to their rescue?
You always come across as an intelligent guy with some thought going into your posts. However with this post, I think you are being deliberately daft. You know very well what's going on.
Or is you being deliberately wrong our fault as well. Well I apologise for confusing you with Zathlan,it was aan honest error, both of you having such diametrically opposed views. But as to the rest... No no error. . Were I deliberately wrong it would not be your fault.. that is childish. And as before , I am already happily married and in no way looking for a mate .
Seriously look up the land holdings in central Dublin of a character called the Duke of Buckingham,.
Do you think that it was a coincidence that shopping malls started to appear in Dublin soon after the 1976 abolishment of compulsory leasehold... ? People owned their houses,but not the land underneath and it was a nice little earner for the Duke and his pals. A socialist government passed the law, which allowed anyone to buy out their leasehold at 7 times the annual rent.
Tilson, your extreme posturing invites a daft response.
Life in a refugee camp is close to hell. Life in Syria was hell. Hope is an automatic response of the desperate. I am not desperate to live in England,I have a nice location here, so there is no need for me to discommode myself and entrust myself to a flimsy rubber craft. Were conditions hopeless here, I might well be tempted
if you can choose which brexit, would you not be tempted to think long term?
I benefitted from that too. With 99 of us in my section of an estate we bought our leaseholds and formed our own management company run by ourselves, converting all the leases from 99 years to 999 years, consolidating the property values.
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Maybe it is hell. The channel boat garbage people aren’t in a refugee camp though, they are in a safe country, France. But that’s not good enough, they want to take more and they don’t care who is harmed or put in danger in the pros.
Still making a pillock of yourself over this issue?
Pay more Taxes for a Proper Border Force fleet of Vessels
Why not raise a charity to pay for it?
Now there's a good idea!
Perhaps the three stooges would like to chip in as well?