Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Tangible effects of project fear... Producing shortages??

 

[OxygenJames]

The Scots, Welsh, and Irish, kept fighting did they?

I meant the Allied Soldiers of course.

 

[Danidl]

The NHS is structurally f&&&&&d. No amount of money thrown at it will fix it. It is a failed and failing system of organising a health-care system. MUCH better are ones in Europe - Norway, France, Sweden - ALL use a balance of insurance and payments for certain uses - and ALL providing free-care for all at first point of contact where required.

Please - no more money for the NHS until its entire ridiculous 1940s top down command structure is dismantled and replaced by the ones we see in other countries where outcomes are WAY better than the NHS.

Remember the NHS comes bottom of ALL the major European countries league tables when it comes to health-care outcomes. We need to focus on OUTCOMES and not just plough more money in.

You know ,OJ, this is possibly the first and likely the most rational posting you have made. ..well done you !.

 

[Zlatan]

You know ,OJ, this is possibly the first and likely the most rational posting you have made. ..well done you !.

That's rather like "you don't sweat much for a fat lad" as far as praise goes. Only a tad patronising...
To be fair you have made a good post somewhere Danidl.. Just can't recall at moment.

 

[flecc]

The Scots, Welsh, and Irish, kept fighting did they?

Perhaps with each other?
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[tillson]

The NHS is structurally f&&&&&d. No amount of money thrown at it will fix it. It is a failed and failing system of organising a health-care system.

I agree entirely. The same for the police and other public services, they are not short of money, they are starved of managerial talent. The waste which goes on is sickening and no one seems to be held accountable.

 

[Danidl]

That's rather like "you don't sweat much for a fat lad" as far as praise goes. Only a tad patronising...
To be fair you have made a good post somewhere Danidl.. Just can't recall at moment.

You got it in one.... Well done you too!

 

[flecc]

The NHS is structurally f&&&&&d. No amount of money thrown at it will fix it. It is a failed and failing system of organising a health-care system. MUCH better are ones in Europe - Norway, France, Sweden - ALL use a balance of insurance and payments for certain uses - and ALL providing free-care for all at first point of contact where required.

Please - no more money for the NHS until its entire ridiculous 1940s top down command structure is dismantled and replaced by the ones we see in other countries where outcomes are WAY better than the NHS.

Remember the NHS comes bottom of ALL the major European countries league tables when it comes to health-care outcomes. We need to focus on OUTCOMES and not just plough more money in.

Excellent post, summarising the problem perfectly and exactly what should be done to correct it.
.

 

[tillson]

Just one question Ghengis what are "snaf" families. Is it an acronym I, ve missed. You do have a point though.
My nightmare when I worked (honest OG, Tom I used to) was volunteer help... After 2 hrs they always knew more than colleagues who had trained for years and then had 20 years on job.
"don't do it like that".. In true Harry Enfield fashion..
Then hours clearing up the mess.

Sorry, snaf is a term we used to use at work for undesirable people. Rowdy families, pi$$ed slappers on hen parties, Primark clad, swearing lads on the stag do to Prague, that sort of thing. All of it snaf.

 

[OxygenJames]

You know ,OJ, this is possibly the first and likely the most rational posting you have made. ..well done you !.

Thanks Mate. Just because I voted leave does not mean I don't appreciate where the europeans do it better than we do!

 

[OxygenJames]

That's rather like "you don't sweat much for a fat lad" as far as praise goes. Only a tad patronising...
To be fair you have made a good post somewhere Danidl.. Just can't recall at moment.

Yeah I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It's almost Christmas after all.

 

[OxygenJames]

Excellent post, summarising the problem perfectly and exactly what should be done to correct it.
.

Quick! Screen shot before he hits 'edit'!

 

[OxygenJames]

Sorry, snaf is a term we used to use at work for undesirable people. Rowdy families, pi$$ed slappers on hen parties, Primark clad, swearing lads on the stag do to Prague, that sort of thing. All of it snaf.

My Mum used to call those people 'slush-quarter'. Bit posh my Mum. Dad was straight working class boy done good. Yeah. Odd family. You should have been there when they argued! Me and my brother would run for the shed.

 

[flecc]

Sorry, snaf is a term we used to use at work for undesirable people. Rowdy families, pi$$ed slappers on hen parties, Primark clad, swearing lads on the stag do to Prague, that sort of thing. All of it snaf.

Strange how these things change. Back in the 1930s and '40s they were jacks to me, meaning a common, ill mannered person. That had probably been around for a long time since my mother had used it since the 1920s at least. Later we replaced that with yobs or yobbos, until a whole variety of ever expanding terms arrived.
.

 

[flecc]

Quick! Screen shot before he hits 'edit'!

No, I wouldn't change it. I'm a long term fierce critic of the NHS as it exists in recent decades.
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[Danidl]

"Corner boys " is what my mother would have referred to them as .

 

[oldgroaner]

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Some typos in there OG.. Have another go. It might make sense then but probably not.

I just got home an corrected it, had a dodgy internet connection on the phone!

 

[oldgroaner]

Again perhaps? In English this time?

I have already explained what happened and regardless it was all in English, so once again you fail.

 

[oldgroaner]

The NHS is structurally f&&&&&d. No amount of money thrown at it will fix it. It is a failed and failing system of organising a health-care system. MUCH better are ones in Europe - Norway, France, Sweden - ALL use a balance of insurance and payments for certain uses - and ALL providing free-care for all at first point of contact where required.

Please - no more money for the NHS until its entire ridiculous 1940s top down command structure is dismantled and replaced by the ones we see in other countries where outcomes are WAY better than the NHS.

Remember the NHS comes bottom of ALL the major European countries league tables when it comes to health-care outcomes. We need to focus on OUTCOMES and not just plough more money in.

And keep private enterprise well clear for instance the lousy private Ambulance service supplied by TASL.
The problem with the NHS is the same as the reason Brexit will fail.
An incompetent managerial class, and privatising anything at all has been utterly disastrous for that very reason, wherever it has been applied.

 

[Zlatan]

And keep private enterprise well clear for instance the lousy private Ambulance service supplied by TASL.
The problem with the NHS is the same as the reason Brexit will fail.
An incompetent managerial class, and privatising anything at all has been utterly disastrous for that very reason, wherever it has been applied.

Where as nationalising worked brilliantly..