the scale (117 out of 317) is not a surprise if you assume all tory eurosceptic MPs do not vote for TM.
Eurosceptics are still fewer than those tony MPs who want her deal.
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Eurosceptics are still fewer than those tony MPs who want her deal.
I really thought the figure would have been closer to 50. That's what surprised me.
And out of her majority at least half will have voted out of duty to the party not her. That's the real issue for her. She's just hanging on for the xmas recess. That's all she does. Hang on. No plan. Just hang on and survive like a zombie.
she has more or less run out of ropes in any case. She is in the middle of a party whose MPs are much closer to the EU than membership and party voters.
There are about 150 MPs who support WTO.
I think she only wants to go into history as the one who took the UK out of the EU.
Unfortunately, once brexit is delivered, those who voted for it won't be bothered to vote at the next GE and those who feel shafted by the eurosceptics will punish the tories for taking the UK out of the EU. That's the booby trap prize - she knows it, there is no point for her to want to fight it, if I were in her place, I'd look forward to a nice long holiday next April.
I wonder whether TM is just dragging on until past March 29,when we fall out anyway,she is the ultimate 'can kicker'.
It may be that the EU lose their nerve once we have left,or about to leave,and last minute put some sort of deal together,which looks like what we have already got.
KudosDave
It may be that the EU lose their nerve once we have left,or about to leave,and last minute put some sort of deal together,which looks like what we have already got.
KudosDave
Actually you didn't, did you ? as no one can claim that Brexit is a good idea any more can they? when every form of it is worse than remaining in the EU
I believe she is genuine in wanting to deliver a good brexit. Unfortunately, there is no way she can please all the people with her brexit.
There are about 130-150 MPs wanting to be able to leave on WTO after the transition. It is a substantial number but still a minority. If she gives in to their demand (ie force the EU to give her a sunset clause to the NI backstop), she will upset the majority of the HoC.
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For fear of repeating myself I hesitate to answer....
But just in case you failed to read my other answers and to hopefully stop you asking the same question over and over again...
We don't know. No one knows. We are in situation that has never happened before. It could be good it could be bad.
I don't want closer integration with the EU. I would like to see us have a trading agreement with them. Not be bound to their last century rules and policies.
Will that suffice and you will it make you stop wasting internet space repeating the same question over and over?
I doubt it, but at least I tried.
The EU have developed a deal, there will be as much clarification as the UK requests on this . The EU will not blink..it cannot blink . The ball is totally back in the UK court now. They can demand an extension.... Which I admit was a surprise to me, they can can withdraw the actual withdrawal,they can accept the deal,or they can fall out without a deal. The choice is now fully the UKs. EU has spoken , the world moves on, there is a China USA problem, a Ukraine + Russian + Europe problem . The French have their own problems . It is time for the UK to make its mind up..the rest of the world is moving on.
What Mrs May has achieved yesterday is potentially a great victory for remaining, if she wanted to exploit it... Does she have the wit to see that?.
I hope you're right and this is it. We can finally say we tried but we have to leave under WTO rules as the EU's deal wasn't acceptable but sadly I doubt it.
This will rumble on till the next deadline. Then the next then the one after that till its April.
There is no majority in the HoC for any type of brexit.
the EU should really explore a negotiated WTO mini deal and allow enough wriggling room.
Very true, but unfortunately her stubborn nature would probably prevent her taking advantage of it, even with awareness.
Backing out of withdrawal is the best solution to today's impasse, possibly with a statement to make that more palatable that Brexit can return as an issue at a future date.
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Implementation of what exactly?
What you want, and what might that be by the way, or what the many loony Brexiteer factions want?
Actually it's the best solution for everybody even the leave faction intent on self harm.
No it wasn't me that asserted that, Zlatan, once again you are getting your so called facts wrong
And the rest of your post is your usual rubbish
Remoaners haven't been negotiating with the EU and are not in power so how could they possibly be damaging the withdrawal ?
Who is writing your nonsense?
The only people to blame in this debacle are You and others who voted for Brexit as a Bet, and the clowns you imagined would make your bet come true.
You were mugged.
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Being a Zombie has always been an advantage to the would be Tory MP
What she could do is to make an obvious statement.. my way or the highway. This deal is the only one on the table. Accept it or reject it. If you reject it, my next action will be a bill to revoke Article 50. As I see it the extreme hardliners are currently a busted flush. She would come accross as decisive,and maybe even as having out maneuved that faction.
Then either her Deal is passed , which is an acceptable result to a majority of UK population.. It does deliver a Brexit of sorts. Or she can then insist that she has done all an honourable PM could be expected to do,and say "the prospect of a no deal Brexit is not what the people voted for,so let's terminate this nonsense now... "
As before my view is that the Deal is the second best option.
What an odd response. I don't have to make it clear since it's self evident that I post my opinion on a future outcome.
As you've posted yourself, none of us know what the outcome will be, so we can only express opinions on it.
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