Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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For fear of repeating myself I hesitate to answer....

But just in case you failed to read my other answers and to hopefully stop you asking the same question over and over again...

We don't know. No one knows. We are in situation that has never happened before. It could be good it could be bad.

I don't want closer integration with the EU. I would like to see us have a trading agreement with them. Not be bound to their last century rules and policies.

Will that suffice and you will it make you stop wasting internet space repeating the same question over and over?

I doubt it, but at least I tried.
You don't know? and you obviously haven't actually any reason to advance to debate, have you? so why do you come on here attempting to distract others from debating their views and opinions.
As to wasting internet time, you are doing that by trolling to disrupt the discussion when you have nothing to add to it.
For instance since you are obviously clueless, how about explaining what "This century" rules and Policies are, and then instead of bitching you could actually make yourself relatively useful and interesting instead of just being a parasite on the thread
And as to you not knowing whether it could be good or bad, if that is the clarity of judgement you possess you are clearly out of your depth.
 
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Anna Soubry also makes a great case on that website for returning the matter to the people now that everyone can see what 'Brexit' amounts to.

Tom
a referendum will still needs to be delivered by parliament.
There is no majority at present in parliament for cancelling brexit.
There is only one possible majority that is if the Crown's employees, front bench of both conservatives and Labour MPs, agree to work together.
 

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if I were in her place, I'd look forward to a nice long holiday next April.
Maggie's legacy was the Channel Tunnel bringing us closer to Europe, May's holidays forever more will be hopefully in a draughty caravan by the crumbling cliffs of Happisburgh with a cold easterly Baltic wind blowing in.

And on a cheeful Crimbo note - just back from excellent performance by the children at their Junior and Infant School Nativity Show...
While the Tories have their internal civil war local schools are spending Xmas looking at their budgets and looking forward to working out redundancies inc Deputy Heads to Teaching Assistants and loading the resulting extra workload onto the already demoralised teachers ...

Soon to be retiring Head Teacher with the local Tory MP in the audience didn't mince her words about what was going on.
 
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Death throes?
Almost certainly. It won't be quick and will probably be a long, lingering demise, littered with redundancies, bankruptcies, thousands of lease and contract hire cars being returned and prices steadily rising with some goods becoming difficult to source.

Perhaps the 'crashing out' model is the best thing that can happen if we really can't stop this lunatic 'Brexit', out-of-control rollercoaster. It probably needs to become very personal with domestic budgets unable to cope, before the thickos and the racists actually grasp what economics is all about.

I still retain a hope that this secession can be avoided; we learn our lesson and buckle down to being a productive member of the EU and ultimately a member of the United States of Europe, for that is the best future for all mankind.

Tom
 

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Almost certainly. It won't be quick and will probably be a long, lingering demise, littered with redundancies, bankruptcies, thousands of lease and contract hire cars being returned and prices steadily rising with some goods becoming difficult to source.

Perhaps the 'crashing out' model is the best thing that can happen if we really can't stop this lunatic 'Brexit', out-of-control rollercoaster. It probably needs to become very personal with domestic budgets unable to cope, before the thickos and the racists actually grasp what economics is all about.

I still retain a hope that this secession can be avoided; we learn our lesson and buckle down to being a productive member of the EU and ultimately a member of the United States of Europe, for that is the best future for all mankind.

Tom

Why I do believe you are starting to enter the phase of acceptance.

This is a good thing.

Good work Tom!
 

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You think the United Kingdom is going to die?
I think it is on the way to becoming less significant, it certainly is no longer an imperial power. Don't worry it happened to Spain and Portugal already. France has almost terminated it's process.
 

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I think it is on the way to becoming less significant, it certainly is no longer an imperial power. Don't worry it happened to Spain and Portugal already. France has almost terminated it's process.

I'm not worried. The past is the past. We can be proud of our history though.

Leaving the EU will allow to be more dynamic and modern.

We are still a major power in the world. In fact a recent study found us the world leader in soft power.

https://softpower30.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/The-Soft-Power-30-Report-2018.pdf

I don't think you can realistically compare us to Spain and Portugal. Maybe in your head but it's not correct.

I know it doesn't fit the narrative of a lot of people on here but Britain is actually great and despite the idiots in charge we are doing very well.

A very bright future awaits once we relieve ourselves from the shackles of the EU.
 

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Oh Dear!
Daniel Hannan's MEP group fined heavily

Daniel Hannan's MEP group told to repay €535,000 in EU funds
Exclusive: Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe accused of hosting luxury events of little relevance to EU
A European conservative group co-founded by the Tories and led by Brexit campaigner and MEP Daniel Hannan has been asked to repay more than half a million euros of EU funds following an investigation into their spending, the Guardian has learned.
In a rare negative finding touching a British political party in government, European parliament senior leaders on Monday night ordered the Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe (ACRE) to repay €535,609 (£484,367) of EU funds.
Nice trustworthy people eh? the sort that Brexit voters hope are working for them?
 

oldgroaner

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Why I do believe you are starting to enter the phase of acceptance.

This is a good thing.

Good work Tom!
If you imagine that you are even dumber that we realised.
A clean break Brexit and the suffering it causes is the best hope for a quick and suitably humble application for membership of the EU

And would be the kiss of death to their dreams for people with ludicrous ideas that Brexit is a good thing
 
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Oh Dear!
Daniel Hannan's MEP group fined heavily

Daniel Hannan's MEP group told to repay €535,000 in EU funds
Exclusive: Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe accused of hosting luxury events of little relevance to EU
A European conservative group co-founded by the Tories and led by Brexit campaigner and MEP Daniel Hannan has been asked to repay more than half a million euros of EU funds following an investigation into their spending, the Guardian has learned.
In a rare negative finding touching a British political party in government, European parliament senior leaders on Monday night ordered the Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe (ACRE) to repay €535,609 (£484,367) of EU funds.
Nice trustworthy people eh? the sort that Brexit voters hope are working for them?

They are all at it. Every man jack one of them.

They recently voted down that they don't have to submit receipts or invoices for expenses. Bent as fu@k.
 
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oldgroaner

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I'm not worried. The past is the past. We can be proud of our history though.

Leaving the EU will allow to be more dynamic and modern.

We are still a major power in the world. In fact a recent study found us the world leader in soft power.

https://softpower30.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/The-Soft-Power-30-Report-2018.pdf

I don't think you can realistically compare us to Spain and Portugal. Maybe in your head but it's not correct.

I know it doesn't fit the narrative of a lot of people on here but Britain is actually great and despite the idiots in charge we are doing very well.

A very bright future awaits once we relieve ourselves from the shackles of the EU.
Since you have no idea of how the EU works, and manage to prove that on a daily basis, please describe what the "Shackles" are
And perhaps you ought to read the reason that the UK scored
This is a caveat from within that lengthy PDF
"
As of July 2018, the
UK remains a member of the European
Union, and thus nothing has changed in
the objective data with respect to the
UK’s position in Europe.
For the UK, this year’s results are an
encouraging sign that the nation still
commands significant soft power clout.
The UK’s soft power strengths continue
to sit across the Engagement, Culture,
Education, and Digital sub-indices.
British soft power benefits from a
wealth of publicly funded resources.
And already a lot of damage is being done across the categories where we currently rate highly, due to cost cutting, loss of staff etc, etc.
And no matter how much of this clout you have you need brains to apply it , which are sorely lacking.
So much for your latest BS and as for "Wealth of publicly funded resources" how many rely on EU grants?
Here is an extract that shows what a total sham this "Soft Power " is
"
the Royal Wedding of Prince Harry to
Meghan Markle. Nearly two billion people
around the world tuned in to watch the
wedding, a testament to the royal family’s
enduring appeal and international reach.
The wedding holds great significancefor Britain’s global brand, projecting
not just the usual image of tradition and royal pomp, but a powerful story of
diversity and integration. It may sound twee, but the wedding has likely had a significant positive impact on the UK’s soft power and its overarching narrative as an evolving modern country. We do not know the extent of the wedding’s impact, but as shown in the polling data, global
perceptions of the UK improved this year.

What a load of poppycock! if "Soft power" is affected by such trivia as that then it isn't worth a Tinkers Cuss in the real world, and that last Porky is outrageous
"Global perceptions of the UK improved this year"
The World is laughing at us

Come off it fingers you need to provide better material ! ring them up at Leave HQ and tell them this one was a dud.

And this report was of course compiled while we are still members of the EU and before the Conservative Government imploded too.

We are not in any way an important "Power in the World" just America's scrapyard dog.
 
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Fingers

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Since you have no idea of how the EU works, and manage to prove that on a daily basis, please describe what the "Shackles" are
And perhaps you ought to read the reason that the UK scored
This is a caveat from within that lengthy PDF
"
As of July 2018, the
UK remains a member of the European
Union, and thus nothing has changed in
the objective data with respect to the
UK’s position in Europe.
For the UK, this year’s results are an
encouraging sign that the nation still
commands significant soft power clout.
The UK’s soft power strengths continue
to sit across the Engagement, Culture,
Education, and Digital sub-indices.
British soft power benefits from a
wealth of publicly funded resources.

So much for your latest BS and as for "Wealth of publicly funded resources" how many rely on EU grants?
Come off it fingers you need to provide better material ! ring them up at Leave HQ and tell them this one was a dud.

And this report was of course compiled while we are still members of the EU and before the Conservative Government imploded too.

We are not in any way an important "Power in the World" just America's scrapyard dog.

Lol. You are so blind. So devotedly blind to the facts.
 
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If anyone would like to hear what Michael Heseltine has to say now about 'Brexit', fire up this link in your browser and it will lead immediately to Heseltine's video clip. I don't want to include the FB clip directly on here as it might cause problems for some forum users.

Just copy and paste the link.

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesVoteUK/?eid=ARBnDH8ez7gfZNRNC92PBUubqck0XFplAsEhygJ_nGmfnoIsI8vE6edIUBOWXT2Z42eokbL1byKPEmSi

Tom
Ken Clarke made his views on Boris, and others, pretty darned clear on R4 yesterday.
 

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