Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Sounds like there's a longer story in there somewhere. Betting never got to be an addiction for me - I reserved that for sex and drugs. :)

I never bet more than £100. And even then rarely.
You forgot to mention your addition to Fairy stories:cool:
 
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maybe it is to do with the amount of money that is pumped into the Southeast at the expense of the rest of the country
I think you'll find that overall the cash flow is from the south to the north. Like it is from the UK mainland to N. Ireland for example. We have more money down here because there are more higher paying jobs. Which generates more cash in taxes etc. Which gives us more money to spend. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.
 
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Yes, I was on it yesterday. No problem at all.
Really, you enjoy concrete blocks along much of its length to narrow it, with 50 limit for mile after mile and the police sneaking laser cameras over the parapets to nick drivers daring to exceed that?

Smart motorway, what a joke. I know from driving it how bad it is and there's no shortage of those agreeing.
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I think you'll find that overall the cash flow is from the south to the north. Like it is from the UK mainland to N. Ireland for example. We have more money down here because there are more higher paying jobs. Which generates more cash in taxes etc. Which gives us more money to spend. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.
Someone has been telling you porkies! the money stays down there...
 
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oldgroaner

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I did? OK. If you say so. You seem pretty good yourself when it comes to telling stories. If I may be so bold as to suggest.
Thanks for the complement ,the difference of course is that my "stories" have a factual basis and Fairy Stories don't employ facts....
 
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maybe it is to do with the amount of money that is pumped into the Southeast at the expense of the rest of the country
That's nonsense, London alone contributes $50 billions annually to the rest of the country from its financial services income, and most of that goes northwards.

Then there's the substantially larger taxes paid from southerners higher earnings

Yes, London and the South East do get more spent, but it's from our own earnt money and not from elsewhere.
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Someone has been telling you porkies! the money stays down there...
I see flecc disagrees...
Rather different View from North Yorkshire
"People in North Yorkshire pay almost twice as much council tax in relative terms as those in urban and London boroughs like Westminster and Camden and receive less Government funding, yet the costs tend to be higher. The council continues to push for a fairer government funding deal."
 
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flecc

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Actually we were arguing about Flecc's divine right to tell us Northerners we
are envious of the dump called London.
No divine right, just reporting all the envy that Northerners keep expressing against London and the South East.

You can start with Andy Burnham, Mayor of Greater Manchester who never shuts up complaining on the media or directly to Ministers.
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flecc

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This is Fleccs thread!

Don’t you dare criticise him!

For shame!
Not my thread, I only started it and accept no blame.

And I don't see Zlatan as criticising me, only what I post

He'll criticise that whatever it is, even if I copied and pasted what he'd posted. It's because I'm a Remainer so I'm not allowed to be unchallenged as being right.
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I see flecc disagrees...
Rather different View from North Yorkshire
"People in North Yorkshire pay almost twice as much council tax in relative terms as those in urban and London boroughs like Westminster and Camden and receive less Government funding, yet the costs tend to be higher. The council continues to push for a fairer government funding deal."
That's obfuscation OG, using terms like "relative" and picking on lowest tax points in the capital. Londoners pay very comparable council tax for properties that are a fraction of the size in most areas, often only a room or two.

A nd North Yorkshire with its many wealthy residents has been deliberately chosen. My well off nephew Mark lives there in semi retirement so I am acquainted. The comparison should be with an equally privileged area here.

As I showed in post 41567, London already pays vast sums to other parts, especially the North. The North's idea of fairness is that we should pay even more to meet their needs, but why should we carry them? Despite the huge amounts we've paid over the years there never seems to be any economic improvement up there.
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oldtom

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maybe it is to do with the amount of money that is pumped into the Southeast at the expense of the rest of the country
Remind me; which part of the UK generates the most money?

When you do some research and discover that London And the SE brings in more revenue than any other region and possibly the rest of the country put together, perhaps you will realise that investment there is essential to the whole of the UK.

A lot of people outside of the SE seem to have a big chip on their shoulder about 'darn sarf' which is strange when they are forever bleating on about how wonderful it is in 'wotevershire'.

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Hilarious isn't it? collectively we have allowed one off topic post to not merely deflect the discussion of brexit on the thread, but cause a North v South argument!
Surely at a time like this we have better things to dispute?

May I remind everyone we are not members of the Conservative Party and ought to get back to the thread topic
And yes that applies to me too!
And there are only a couple of hours to Mayday!
 
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Hilarious isn't it? collectively we have allowed one off topic post to not merely deflect the discussion of brexit on the thread, but cause a North v South argument!
But surely London and the South-East is Remain and the North largely Leave?

So not really off topic, South and Remain being right and North and Leave being wrong.
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Someone has been telling you porkies! the money stays down there...
Well I know for a fact that is not so for N. Ireland (who have a massive subsidy from the rest of the UK) - and I've a pretty good idea its also not so of some of the poorer areas up north either. As it should be too in my opinion I might add.
 
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