Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Some people chose to live in Hull, there is no accounting for taste.
Envious is wrong word no matter how you look at it. I have never ever heard anyone from North of Watford, or any where else for that matter saying or even implying they are envious of southerners or living in South. Got friends in Cornwall and Devon, see the attraction there but not envious..

I was born in Hull when it was in ruins and managed to have a happy childhood despite the hardship, so I haven't much time for people who imagine where they choose to live makes them superior.
Sorry but using the term "no accounting for taste" hardly applies to where you are born, or live, only a fool holds ideas like that to have any merit.

 

[Kudoscycles]

164 tory MPs say they will back May.
She will probably win the confidence vote but still cannot get her brexit deal through parliament.

Thats perfect ,she cant get her deal,she cant do no deal and she cant renegotiate....what does that leave....Remain
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Fascinating info
Revealed: Brexit campaigner obtained millions of voters' data

Vote Leave's former chief technology officer claims he needed this data to check that donations to his company were legal – despite receiving no donations.
A prominent Brexit campaigner obtained personal information about millions of British voters, an investigation by openDemocracy has discovered.

A data analytics company owned by ex-Vote Leave staffer Thomas Borwick, who is also linked to Cambridge Analytica, requested and obtained the electoral roll from more than 200 local authorities across Britain. The spreadsheets include names, addresses and other details for every registered voter. In at least one area, Borwick also requested the location of polling stations ahead of the 2015 general election.

Under UK election law, registered ‘third party’ or ‘non party’ campaigners can legally ask for copies of local electoral rolls. Thomas Borwick’s company, Voter Consultancy Ltd (VCL), made by far the most requests for the electoral roll in 2016 and 2017, according to new data released to openDemocracy following a series of Freedom of Information requests. VCL also made requests for the electoral roll in 2014 and 2015, openDemocracy discovered.

Voter Consultancy is one of around 30 organisations included in the UK Information Commissioner’s ongoing investigation into the use of data during the Brexit campaign. Another data analytics company run by Borwick, Kanto, produced an election app that was used by Cambridge Analytica.

And now they have it what will they do with it next?

 

[oldtom]

You just aren't getting it. As I said, envious of the benefits we have in terms of salaries, job opportunities, infrastructure, transport and certain other facilities.

Of course they aren't envious of the downsides.
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That seems entirely clear to me 'flecc' and is, in fact, the major reason why I spent the largest part of my working life in and around the capital.

Now, I have always known where Watford is but it seems that the stories are true and there really is somewhere north of Watford. Perhaps I should go and explore some time.

Tom

 

[OxygenJames]

I was born in Hull when it was in ruins and managed to have a happy childhood despite the hardship, so I haven't much time for people who imagine where they choose to live makes them superior.
Sorry but using the term "no accounting for taste" hardly applies to where you are born, or live, only a fool holds ideas like that to have any merit.

I've heard the north is nice. Never been there myself but I do hear it's nice.

This is not of course true. I've worked in Leeds and Bradford and Liverpool and Manchester and a tonne of other places up north. The people seemed pretty decent to me.

 

[Zlatan]

You just aren't getting it. As I said, envious of the benefits we have in terms of salaries, job opportunities, infrastructure, transport and certain other facilities.

Of course they aren't envious of the downsides.
.

So you are envious of our countryside, beaches, national parks, quieter roads, less pollution.. Of course not. ..
Its you that doesn't get it. People are not envious of anything you mention.
Infact in most occupations the extra renumeration does not match the higher CoL. (certainly doesn't in education or government work)

 

[OxygenJames]

Fascinating info
Revealed: Brexit campaigner obtained millions of voters' data

Vote Leave's former chief technology officer claims he needed this data to check that donations to his company were legal – despite receiving no donations.
A prominent Brexit campaigner obtained personal information about millions of British voters, an investigation by openDemocracy has discovered.

A data analytics company owned by ex-Vote Leave staffer Thomas Borwick, who is also linked to Cambridge Analytica, requested and obtained the electoral roll from more than 200 local authorities across Britain. The spreadsheets include names, addresses and other details for every registered voter. In at least one area, Borwick also requested the location of polling stations ahead of the 2015 general election.

Under UK election law, registered ‘third party’ or ‘non party’ campaigners can legally ask for copies of local electoral rolls. Thomas Borwick’s company, Voter Consultancy Ltd (VCL), made by far the most requests for the electoral roll in 2016 and 2017, according to new data released to openDemocracy following a series of Freedom of Information requests. VCL also made requests for the electoral roll in 2014 and 2015, openDemocracy discovered.

Voter Consultancy is one of around 30 organisations included in the UK Information Commissioner’s ongoing investigation into the use of data during the Brexit campaign. Another data analytics company run by Borwick, Kanto, produced an election app that was used by Cambridge Analytica.

And now they have it what will they do with it next?

Sheesh. That's all such b*********s. Dominic Cummings in his blog has set this out a trillion times for people who have half a brain and a spec of interest in the truth to find out for themselves.

 

[Zlatan]

That seems entirely clear to me 'flecc' and is, in fact, the major reason why I spent the largest part of my working life in and around the capital.

Now, I have always known where Watford is but it seems that the stories are true and there really is somewhere north of Watford. Perhaps I should go and explore some time.

Tom

No, don't, stop there Tom. Up north is horrible.. We are so envious of your London.stay there. Have you thought of buying a moped...

 

[OxygenJames]

So you are envious of our countryside, beaches, national parks, quieter roads, less pollution.. Of course not. ..
Its you that doesn't get it. People are not envious of anything you mention.
Infact in most occupations the extra renumeration does not match the higher CoL. (certainly doesn't in education or government work)

Are we now arguing about whether the north or south is the better place to live? Dear oh dear. I'll tell you where the best place to live is. Ready? The surrey hills. End of.

 

[Fingers]

Thats perfect ,she cant get her deal,she cant do no deal and she cant renegotiate....what does that leave....Remain
KudosDave

I think the no deal/wto Brexit is becoming more and more likely.

The EU have already offered a trade only deal. Let’s take that and work the rest out when we need to.

Planes will take off, lorries will load. Medicine will be taken. Life will go on.

 

[OxygenJames]

I think if anything this strengthens Brexit. When she goes and I think she will have to when the vote for her deal finally collapses then whoever comes in will be a committed leaver.

Yup. It seems that she is promising not to fight the next election - to help her win this vote tonight. That is GOOD NEWS.

 

[Zlatan]

Are we now arguing about whether the north or south is the better place to live? Dear oh dear. I'll tell you where the best place to live is. Ready? The surrey hills. End of.

Actually we were arguing about Flecc's divine right to tell us Northerners we
are envious of the dump called London.

 

[Fingers]

Are we now arguing about whether the north or south is the better place to live? Dear oh dear. I'll tell you where the best place to live is. Ready? The surrey hills. End of.

You’ve clearly never lived in Jaywick.

 

[Fingers]

Actually we were arguing about Flecc's divine right to tell us Northerners we
are envious of the dump called London.

This is Fleccs thread!

Don’t you dare criticise him!

For shame!

 

[OxygenJames]

Of course there are those Criminally stupid enough to lust after even so poisoned a chalice as that!

Hey you. You're a betting man yes? You bet and won on Brexit right - and I lost. And we both voted opposite to how we bet which I found kinda interesting.

Are you putting anything on the vote tonight? I just put £3 at 15-1 on her winning with less than a majority of 50 - and another £7 (yeah last of the big spenders huh?) - on her winning with between 50 and 100 - at I think it was 3-1. So the likely result is she will win with more than a 100 majority.

Thoughts?

 

[oldgroaner]

I think the no deal/wto Brexit is becoming more and more likely.

The EU have already offered a trade only deal. Let’s take that and work the rest out when we need to.

Planes will take off, lorries will load. Medicine will be taken. Life will go on.

And this country go rapidly downhill but it isn't worth trying to explain as you don't want to hear do you?
And wouldn't understand anyway

Theme song of the Brexit Faction
"Tell me lies,tell me sweet little lies."

 

[Fingers]

Hey you. You're a betting man yes? You bet and won on Brexit right - and I lost. And we both voted opposite to how we bet which I found kinda interesting.

Are you putting anything on the vote tonight? I just put £3 at 15-1 on her winning with less than a majority of 50 - and another £7 (yeah last of the big spenders huh?) - on her winning with between 50 and 100 - at I think it was 3-1. So the likely result is she will win with more than a 100 majority.

Thoughts?

She will get 253 votes in her favour.

 

[OxygenJames]

You’ve clearly never lived in Jaywick.

Does that even count as 'down south'? To me anything north of Romford was 'north'.

 

[oldtom]

Love this from David Schneider:


Tom

 

[Fingers]

And this country go rapidly downhill but it isn't worth trying to explain as you don't want to hear do you?
And wouldn't understand anyway

Theme song of the Brexit Faction
"Tell me lies,tell me sweet little lies."

I thought it was We are the champions?

Your song is So you win again.

I like this game.