Brexit, for once some facts.
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If Corbyn votes down May’s deal then there seems to be only one option left and that would be a second referendum....what concerns is what options would be on the ballet paper?
Corbyn is so dishonest,May’s deal is pretty close to his 6 criteria,especially the CU and SM,the only reason he would vote it down is trying to compel May to commit to a GE....I think in the end he will vote for May’s deal otherwise May could accuse him of not acting in the national interest.
KudosDave
1944. That tide was only turning due to our being rescued by Russia and the USA.
This time no-one is coming to the rescue. After losing the first two battles, negotiating format and departure deal, we either concede the third and final forthcoming battle of the trade negotiations to the EU or lose the war.
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Do I understand that you are not happy with May’s deal?
I am surprised, you have a favourable deal in N.I. ,the Scots would love to have the same deal.
KudosDave
I can see it now. Trump offers total tariff free chlorinated chickens in exchange for all Cd and DVD sales on the condition Meghan and Kate **** on him in the Queens chambers at Buckingham Palace and Vlad threatens to turn off Germany’s gas unless they replace Markle with Farages wife.
Pretty obvious when you think about it.
What you mean that it’s not your idea of the Brexit you thought you were voting for. Those with a brain realised that many in the population were duped by Farage/Johnson and Co ,it’s a surprise that those are still letting themselves be conned by JRM and Co.
That £39 billion will be paid whatever our exit route,the only way of avoiding it is to stay in the EU.,hope we keep Thatcher’s rebate.
Notice how Liam Fox has gone quiet on his 40 trade deals that would be ready to sign on March 30.,the pot of gold at the end of the Brexit rainbow seems to have been stolen by unicorns!!!
As someone who buys from 130 companies in China I realise that if we have a free trade deal with China the Chinese manufacturing juggernaut will destroy what little manufacturing capacity is left in the U.K.
KudosDave
The only obvious thing I can see here is that you cannot give a serious response to a serious post since you have no answer.
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I think it will get through parliament,Corbyn will vote for it.
KudosDave
Actually I and 400 million other people have a very good idea of what will happen then. The UK will have run out of time. There will be panic buying and selling . The Border will go up accross NI James by reluctant Irish Customs officers .. .and there will be no deal.
The practical consequences of that on the flow of materials in the short term has been discussed on this forum multiple times ..
Whether Mrs May colluded with Mr Barnier,I don't know or care. I suspect she didn't. That sounds to me like a load of losers rehearsing their griveances.
When the EU sees the chaos in Dover, Calais, Newry, Dundalk, and Anglesey, they might offer the UK an extension, of the current arrangements..
But make no mistake about it. The choice is the UKs to make. The draft agreement in its current form will most likely pass EU Parliamentary oversight.
There are in fact many people on this side of the water who believe that senior parliamentarians on the UK side were only playing for time and with a hard BREXIT being the end game.
If I had more faith in medics, I might be more impressed by Sarah W.
As it is, it does make me wonder if we should put "First, do no harm" on the list of things that MPs should swear (or affirm, or whatever) when taking their seats...
Sarah Wollaston pushes for MPs' vote on second Brexit referendum
Tory MP to put down ‘doctors’ amendment’ and hopes to persuade Corbyn to back it
Sarah Wollaston and three other MPs with medical backgrounds are to put down an amendment to the meaningful final Brexit vote, calling for a second referendum in which remain is an option on the ballot paper.
The Conservative MP wants parliament to vote on holding another referendum as soon as possible and hopes to put pressure on the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and his frontbench to “come off the fence” and support a further public vote.
Wollaston said it was only by adding her “doctors’ amendment” to Theresa May’s motion that legal weight would be given to holding a second referendum, and without the amendment, MPs would be unable to force the government into holding one.
“People need to give valid informed consent,” Wollaston said, arguing that people did not fully understand the consequences and complexities of Brexit at the time of the 2016 referendum. “You can only give consent if you know what you are consenting to.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/19/sarah-wollaston-pushes-for-mps-vote-on-second-brexit-referendum-doctors-amendment-corbyn
As it is, it does make me wonder if we should put "First, do no harm" on the list of things that MPs should swear (or affirm, or whatever) when taking their seats...
Sarah Wollaston pushes for MPs' vote on second Brexit referendum
Tory MP to put down ‘doctors’ amendment’ and hopes to persuade Corbyn to back it
Sarah Wollaston and three other MPs with medical backgrounds are to put down an amendment to the meaningful final Brexit vote, calling for a second referendum in which remain is an option on the ballot paper.
The Conservative MP wants parliament to vote on holding another referendum as soon as possible and hopes to put pressure on the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and his frontbench to “come off the fence” and support a further public vote.
Wollaston said it was only by adding her “doctors’ amendment” to Theresa May’s motion that legal weight would be given to holding a second referendum, and without the amendment, MPs would be unable to force the government into holding one.
“People need to give valid informed consent,” Wollaston said, arguing that people did not fully understand the consequences and complexities of Brexit at the time of the 2016 referendum. “You can only give consent if you know what you are consenting to.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/19/sarah-wollaston-pushes-for-mps-vote-on-second-brexit-referendum-doctors-amendment-corbyn
I made a light hearted joke about a page number. You replied about incidents that happened in that year. It has precisely nothing to do with Brexit.
Eeyore would tell you to lighten up.
Maastricht Lisbon. Those changed our country fundamentally and were just forced on us. Gordon Brown and Slimy Blair said they would give us a vote on it but reneged . Brown ended up sneaking in the back door to sign it. To me it just shows a total contempt for the people of this country
Let's see; Gibraltar voted to remain in the EU but are being forced to leave. Okay, except NI and Scotland also voted to remain but only NI get their wish. There is something inherently unfair about that situation but of course it may still be purely hypothetical as it's not over till the fat lady sings.
In regard to Gibraltar, I am stunned by the arrogance of The Chief Minister of Her Majesty's Government of Gibraltar, Fabian Picardo QC, in his remarks on the situation here:
Tom
In regard to Gibraltar, I am stunned by the arrogance of The Chief Minister of Her Majesty's Government of Gibraltar, Fabian Picardo QC, in his remarks on the situation here:
Tom