Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Your anger is creating confusion for you.

I used the word assemble because we do not own Nissan. Its is not a UK company. Understand?

There are new industries being created all the time. We have a multi billion pound Gaming industry. Our creative industries are roaring atm. You can't book a sound stage for nearly 2 years because of demand. We are on of the biggest players in Space technology. We make the best aircraft wings, the best aircraft engines our finance services are the best in the world. I could go on and on. There are lots of things to be optimistic about in this country.

And please. Calm down or your going to do yourself a mischief.

You're being silly now in order to bluff. That is not a correct use of the word assemble, as you obviously knew by your contrast with the BMW mention when you made the reference.

And there's a lot of nonsense in the remainder. The total earnings of the things we're likely to keep in your list don't get near to the £800 billions we need annually.

You've believed the UK propaganda about aircraft wings which isn't true. The USA have already acknowledged the French expertise in this area and Airbus has already halted its investment here due to the Brexit uncertainties. That wing production could easily end up in France.

Rolls Royce do not have the best aircraft engines in the world, that's propaganda again. They are one of the three equal major suppliers with interchangeable technology, the choice of which is fitted to aircraft is the customer's with most of those decisions made on political, not technical grounds.

And the EU do not include financial services in trade deals as Switzerland found to their cost and the EU have confirmed to us already. That's why many of the financial institutions based here have already been establishing offices in mainland Europe to prepare for the inevitable loss.
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[Woosh]

You're in danger of being too smug.

Until the consequences hit people's pockets or their jobs, like OT told me of my posts, it's conjecture.
Leavers do not believe it's going to affect them. If you think about it, in the worst scenario, the probability that a WTO brexit will hit you or me financially is very low. Out there, fewer than 3% of the working population will be affected financially or suffer job loss.

 

[oldgroaner]

I honestly think it was inevitable. Certainly within a decade so we may as well get on with it now.

We were never going to join the Euro we didn't was closer intergration and the EUs plan for 2 tiered intergration still meant the destination was the same. Just a different pace.

There is no appetite, apart from a few true believers who want the Euro in this country or even more laws from Brussels let alone being handed a budget by them and thats where its headed.

We don't have to join the Euro, and lots of other EU nations aren't in it either

"We" had already opted out of closer integration anyway
Laws don't just come from Brussels they are agreed or vetoed by the nations involved

We have been contributing to an EU budget for years
You got your usual score...nil

 

[oldtom]

I thought the escapee from Trollville was bad but I'm afraid that we have encountered someone far worse.

'Fingers', I can't decide whether you are really as stupid as your posts suggest or whether you are simply here to wind people up 'a la troll'.

Come back Zlatan; all is forgiven……well, some of it anyway!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

There is no appetite, apart from a few true believers who want the Euro in this country or even more laws from Brussels let alone being handed a budget by them and thats where its headed.

How could you possibly know what the nation's appetite is for 'Brexit' now?



Tom

 

[flecc]

Until the consequences hit people's pockets or their jobs, like OT told me of my posts, it's conjecture.
Leavers do not believe it's going to affect them. If you think about it, in the worst scenario, the probability that a WTO brexit will hit you or me financially is very low. Out there, fewer than 3% of the working population will be affected or suffer job loss or partial income loss.

We are already unable to balance the books and Brexit departures could make this very much worse. It's not the individual direct Brexit effects that voters will feel, it's the belt tightening enforced by our government as they struggle to manage the decline in revenue.

The hardships imposed since 2008 will look like nothing compared to those we could suffer then.
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[Fingers]

You're being silly now in order to bluff. That is not a correct use of the word assemble, as you obviously knew by your contrast with the BMW mention when you made the reference.

And there's a lot of nonsense in the remainder. The total earnings of the things we're likely to keep in your list don't get near to the £800 billions we need annually.

You've believed the UK propaganda about aircraft wings which isn't true. The USA have already acknowledged the French expertise in this area and Airbus has already halted its investment here due to the Brexit uncertainties. That wing production could easily end up in France.

Rolls Royce do not have the best aircraft engines in the world, that's propaganda again. They are one of the three equal major suppliers with interchangeable technology, the choice of which is fitted to aircraft is the customer's with most of those decisions made on political, not technical grounds.

And the EU do not include financial services in trade deals as Switzerland found to their cost and the EU have confirmed to us already. That's why many of the financial institutions based here have already been establishing offices in mainland Europe to prepare for the inevitable loss.
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It doesn't matter what I post you will see only neagtive.

Your an eeyore

 

[tommie]

I thought the escapee from Trollville was bad but I'm afraid that we have encountered someone far worse.

'Fingers', I can't decide whether you are really as stupid as your posts suggest or whether you are simply here to wind people up 'a la troll'.

Come back Zlatan; all is forgiven……well, some of it anyway!

Tom

Fairly typical of our resident extremist, stuck for an answer so just insult the poster

`pig` and `grunt` lol!

shouldn`t really insult pigs tho`

anyway, remember, Gorbachev nailed it years ago...

 

[Woosh]

We are already unable to balance the books and Brexit departures could make this very much worse. It's not the individual direct Brexit effects that voters will feel, it's the belt tightening enforced by our government as they struggle to manage the decline in revenue.

The hardships imposed since 2008 will look like nothing compared to those we could suffer then.
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that's the positive outcome of a WTO brexit. These consequences will take about a year or two to make people see the wood from the trees.
I wish the EU could do a secret deal, let us try WTO for a few years and rejoin.

 

[tommie]

And here`s what waits for our young 18 - 30 year olds in this European Superstate - what a future

 

[flecc]

It doesn't matter what I post you will see only neagtive.

Your an eeyore.

I see facts, you answer in a demeaning tone with bluff, untruths, and an obvious lack of relevant knowledge.

Eventually you will realise the truth when we apply to rejoin the EU. You may not have to wait very long.
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[tommie]

And there was me thinking the EU was just a Trading Bloc ??

 

[tommie]

So a Trading bloc needs an Army?

Why would that be?

This will go down a storm in the `neutral` R.O.I. lol!!

 

[flecc]

And here`s what waits for our young 18 - 30 year olds in this European Superstate - what a future

He's one of the good Guys, an EU army with us as part of it would have been ideal, restraining our excessive eagerness to go to war against others.
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[Fingers]

Fairly typical of our resident extremist, stuck for an answer so just insult the poster

`pig` and `grunt` lol!

shouldn`t really insult pigs tho`

anyway, remember, Gorbachev nailed it years ago...

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He's just ignorant. You come up against these halfwits in real life so it stands to reason you will get them on a forum. His mate has even taken to trolling and insulting me in other threads about electric bikes.

They are too old to learn manners now. Best to just ignore it. Everyone can see what sort of characters they are.

 

[Fingers]

I see facts, you answer in a demeaning tone with bluff, untruths, and an obvious lack of relevant knowledge.

Eventually you will realise the truth when we apply to rejoin the EU. You may not have to wait very long.
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Thing is had remain won I wouldn't have been that bothered. I would have tutted but accepted it and got on with my life. I don't hate the EU I just see through it.

I do not wish to become part of a United States of Europe where we can't even elect the president but I wouldn't let it ruin my life

 

[oldgroaner]

And here`s what waits for our young 18 - 30 year olds in this European Superstate - what a future

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And thanks to the Brexit vote we have no guarantee that this army will be allied to us, so voting Brexit was a stupid thing to do wasn't it? we have hastened the formation of a potential rival we could have slowed or prevented and you gloat about that? that is plain stupid.

 

[oldgroaner]

He's just ignorant. You come up against these halfwits in real life so it stands to reason you will get them on a forum. His mate has even taken to trolling and insulting me in other threads about electric bikes.

They are too old to learn manners now. Best to just ignore it. Everyone can see what sort of characters they are.

"Too old to learn manners", and you call someone a "halfwit"? Oh, very droll

 

[Danidl]

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Your anger is creating confusion for you.

I used the word assemble because we do not own Nissan. Its is not a UK company. Understand?

There are new industries being created all the time. We have a multi billion pound Gaming industry. Our creative industries are roaring atm. You can't book a sound stage for nearly 2 years because of demand. We are on of the biggest players in Space technology. We make the best aircraft wings, the best aircraft engines our finance services are the best in the world. I could go on and on. There are lots of things to be optimistic about in this country.

And please. Calm down or your going to do yourself a mischief.

Since the UK food import bill is 25 billion per year, it will take a lot of computer games and movies to make up the short fall.
The Space industry is an international consortium,..are you perhaps including SKY in that list, which purchases its. technology from Astra,on mainland europe. Who in the UK actually launches space vehicles?. The UKs space program,and I am not deriding any expertise,is linked with ESA activities,which of course it should... But do you know what that E stands for?.
Rolls Royce make very good jet engines but also do the French and the Americans .
If the UK drop out of Airbus, then that market may very easily go to Snecma ,which will be in the EU or maybe the Russians on price grounds.
Financial services and engineering consultancy are good earners at present, but these are predicated on the arbitration of ECJ in cases of conflict.. and large Engineering contracts always have legal glitches. Other countries are growing their competence in these large projects .. India and China

 

[oldgroaner]

I do not wish to become part of a United States of Europe where we can't even elect the president but I wouldn't let it ruin my life

WE don't actually elect the Prime Minister do we?
And Americans don't actually directly elect the President and that is why even though he got less votes than Clinton he got in.

Do you actually know why you don't want to become part of a United States of Europe?
How for instance would it differ from being part of the "United Kingdom"?

Howeer I am delighted to see if in fact there is a Final Say referendum and Brexit is reversed you will tut and get on with your life.