Brexit, for once some facts.

[anotherkiwi]

Brexit mis-selling continues unabated. In her statement on Wednesday evening, May said that her deal would give us back “control of our money, laws and borders”, while protecting business and jobs.

Fact check time:

- isn't your money the GBP? And you are not in control of that? Hey you can even tuck it away in all those tax havens you administer!
- all countries in the EU make their own laws. There are EU directives which may or may not act as guidance for countries governments when they make their laws. What's that? You don't have a government capable of making decent laws? To tell the truth we have, in an embarrassed sort of way, began to notice that...
- the UK has always had control of its border. In fact it is really kind of easy because the UK is a bunch of islands... When you leave the EU the bit of border control you have in France will have to go back across the channel. Sorry!
- businesses and jobs seem to be leaving the UK because it will no longer be a part of the EU or am I mistaken?

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm rather hoping that PM's question time will become a much less combative experience and become more dignified and befitting of the "Mother of Parliaments"
Something along the lines of the procedures of the Sri Lankan parliament would do a lot more for restoring public faith in the enthusiasm of our politicians.

 

[oldgroaner]

Mrs May's thought for today

 

[oyster]

Mrs May's thought for today

There was a program on Radio 4 Extra the other day about the origin of that line - seems it was earlier than the film. Unfortunately, I really wasn't paying much attention so cannot remember the details.

 

[flecc]

There was a program on Radio 4 Extra the other day about the origin of that line - seems it was earlier than the film. Unfortunately, I really wasn't paying much attention so cannot remember the details.

Kenneth Williams' immortal line "Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me", in Cleo, was actually taken from the Jimmy Edwards radio show Take It From Here, written by Talbot Rothwell's* friends Frank Muir and Denis Norden.

*Rothwell was the screenwriter for the Cleo film.
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[Fingers]

Here's a clarification of the groups in this referendum issue:

Remainers: They are the knows since remaining is what we've already got.

Don't knows: They are those finding the issue too confusing for their capabilities.

Leavers: They are the "Don't want to knows", preferring to stick with their prejudices than take note of facts, even as those opposing facts continue to emerge.
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How can you know what facts are involved in leaving when its never happened before?

Are you from the future?

 

[oyster]

Pure conjecture unless you have found a new crystal ball that actually works!

Tom

I think you'll find we have loads of balls.

 

[oyster]

Kenneth Williams' immortal line "Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me", in Cleo, was actually taken from the Jimmy Edwards radio show Take It From Here, written by Talbot Rothwell's* friends Frank Muir and Denis Norden.

*Rothwell was the screenwriter for the Cleo film.
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Thank you. Guardian sub-eds need to appreciate old radio shows better. This would have been so much better with a couple of words added.

Brexit deal: take it or leave it, EU tells Britain

EU member states collectively rule out any redrafting of withdrawal agreement

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/brexit-deal-take-it-or-leave-it-eu-tells-britain

 

[oyster]

Well done that man. / Da iawn, dyn hwnnw.

'Shouting at the seat of power': remainer gatecrashes 100 TV interviews

‘Mr Stop Brexit’, Welshman Steve Bray, has demonstrated outside parliament every day since September 2017

Millions of viewers will have witnessed his uncanny knack for gatecrashing live TV broadcasts brandishing pro-remain placards, and politicians leaving the House of Commons have become familiar with his daily bellowing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/15/shouting-at-the-seat-of-power-remainer-gatecrashes-100-tv-interviews

 

[oyster]

isn't your money the GBP? And you are not in control of that?

Ironically, one thing we can never be in control of is our currency. Its value is predicated on the views of everyone else.

 

[oyster]

This (non) job, grandly titled something I can never remember but commonly known as 'Brexit' Secretary has become like the eternal TV show with the acronym,' HIGNFY', following the demise of Angus Deayton. Every week, a new comic is found to read a prepared script and make people laugh!

Tom

DEXEU's Midnight Runners?

 

[Danidl]

How can you know what facts are involved in leaving when its never happened before?

Are you from the future?

Are you from the past?. .. but actually and more seriously, none of us know what will happen, but as those financial adds have to say..
Past performance may give an indication of future performance but cannot guarantee ...

 

[flecc]

How can you know what facts are involved in leaving when its never happened before?

The facts of how badly we did before joining the EU are well known facts. A continuous decline, losing our major manufacturing of bicycles, cars, trucks, buses, trains, aircraft, shipbuilding and a vast range of lesser businesses, followed by losing much of our commerce such as our merchant shipping fleet.

That all culminated in us verging on bankruptcy and the IMF having to come in and run our economy for several years in the 1970s. Our membership of the EU has largely turned that around, attracting back manufacturing for export and providing a major market for our services and other commerce.

Those are the undeniable facts I've lived through that Brexiters seem ignorant of. All indicators are that we haven't intrinsically improved, so once out of the protection of the EU market conditions we are likely to revert to failure when exposed to the much tougher world wide trading conditions.
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[Fingers]

The facts of how badly we did before joining the EU are well known facts. A continuous decline, losing our major manufacturing of bicycles, cars, trucks, buses, trains, aircraft, shipbuilding and a vast range of lesser businesses, followed by losing much of our commerce such as our merchant shipping fleet.

That all culminated in us verging on bankruptcy and the IMF having to come in and run our economy for several years in the 1970s. Our membership of the EU has largely turned that around, attracting back manufacturing for export and providing a major market for our services and other commerce.

Those are the undeniable facts I've lived through that Brexiters seem ignorant of. All indicators are that we haven't intrinsically improved, so once out of the protection of the EU market conditions we are likely to revert to failure when exposed to the tougher world wide trading conditions.
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You are living in the past I'm afraid. You think like Trump.

Our economy has changed. We simply cannot manufacture goods such as bikes, TV's, Cars etc as cheaply as other countries. We can buy a korean TV that is superb for £300. Whats wrong with that? The money we save can be spent on other stuff such as leisure activities.

 

[oldtom]

Are you from the future?

No, he isn't but one doesn't need to be a clairvoyant to see what lies in store for the people of the UK if they end up outside of the EU.

Like me and a few other correspondents here, 'flecc' was around long before the UK finally begged its way into the then Common Market. We all knew and lived through the mess that the tories (and Labour) made of the UK and its economy through the 60's and 70's.

Their legacy is still with us and leaving the EU will set back this country so far that the 1970s will seem like shangri-la. In those days, we had industries and were able to do things we cannot manage today; building nuclear power stations for example.

As your profile info has it that you are 40 years old, then you can only ever have heard or read about life in the UK pre & post - WW2. You were too young to have experienced it so your input to this thread has been influenced by rhetoric from people with particular vested interests and the propaganda organs, of both the audio-visual and printed variety that have been at work on their behalf for decades, probably before you were even born.

I was called away after starting this piece and I see on my return that others have beaten me to the punch so I apologise for providing repetitious material.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

You are living in the past I'm afraid. You think like Trump.

Our economy has changed. We simply cannot manufacture goods such as bikes, TV's, Cars etc as cheaply as other countries. We can buy a korean TV that is superb for £300. Whats wrong with that? The money we save can be spent on other stuff such as leisure activities.

Seriously?

I despair of you!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I think you'll find we have loads of balls.

Most of which of late seem to emanate from 'Fingers' posts!

Tom

 

[flecc]

Our economy has changed. We simply cannot manufacture goods such as bikes, TV's, Cars etc as cheaply as other countries. We can buy a korean TV that is superb for £300. Whats wrong with that? The money we save can be spent on other stuff such as leisure activities.

Thank you for admitting that we cannot match other's manufacturing, precisely my point.

But where does the money to buy that Korean TV etc come from if we don't earn any? We are nowhere near self supporting in virtually anything, so must earn elsewhere as much as we need to live on, even to feed ourselves.

What do we have that others want in order to do that? Virtually nothing that I can see.

I'm afraid your post shows how shallow the thinking of so many Brexiters is and how lacking in knowledge they are.
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[oldtom]

'Shouting at the seat of power': remainer gatecrashes 100 TV interviews

‘Mr Stop Brexit’, Welshman Steve Bray, has demonstrated outside parliament every day since September 2017

Zero-hours contract?

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

DEXEU's Midnight Runners?

Don't you mean Midnight Flitters?