The legality or otherwise of the referendum is irrelevant. Based on your UK model,where parliament is supreme, the MPs voting in Westminster was the legal bit. It makes no difference where these MPs took their advice from, ..the guys in the pub at the Rovers Return or a slightly bigger gathering.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Indeed, but they will learn that situation cannot be taken as written in stone.
The labour party made a grave strategic error in pretending they had no choice but to bow to the will of the people
Effectively they surrendered parliamentary supremacy and lost control
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There is no promise of £350 million for the NHS anywhere on that bus. There is a pledge to increase funding for the NHS, but the amount is not stated.You've done it again haven't you? if it was only inferred, why did Farage say this?
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Nigel Farage has already admitted this huge 'Brexit' NHS promise was a mistake"
Good Morning BritainVerified account @GMB
WATCH: @Nigel_Farage tells @susannareid100 it was a 'mistake' for Leave to claim there'd be £350M a week for NHS
Note that he agrees that the Leave campagn made that promise
And here is a version with the admission he made edited out!
The leave campaign clearly hope that people won't spot their changing the evidence to avoid people hearing what was truly said!
They are a pack of liars and cheats, why are you not waking up to the fact you have been mislead?
I understand that you want it to say that £350 million was promised, because that would give you ammunition. Sadly however, that isn’t what it says.
I think the referendum result has come as such a shock to you that it has displaced your outlook several kilometres to the left of Michael Foot.
No one is saying there was a promise on the bus, but in the video Farage accepted and confirmed that there was, and claimed it was a mistake.
No way can you wriggle out of that, can you?
And since I forecast that leave would win how do you turn that into being a shock for me?
As I recall you were the one who was surprised.
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Oh well, if it was a mistake that’s okay then. We all make mistakes, in fact it has been shown that we all make several mistakes each day. No harm done.
Waking up being the biggest one. Sets us up for all the others.
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Does the same apply to the word deception? the implication on the bus was not some play on words by accident.
It was deceitful by intent, and no subltle nuances intended, I have overheard conversations where the conclusion reached by those involved was that this was a genuine promise, and expected to be kept
And this from Boris Johnson
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From Business Insider
- Jan. 16, 2018, 8:49 AM
- Boris Johnson defends the Leave Campaign's contentious claim that Brexit will create an extra £350 million a week to spend on the NHS.
- "We grossly underestimated the sum," Johnson told The Guardian.
- Independent fact-checkers have debunked the 2016 claim as misleading.
- Labour accuses the foreign secretary of having no shame.
LONDON — Boris Johnson has defended the Leave campaign's claim that Brexit will give Britain an extra £350 million a week to spend on the NHS by arguing the campaign could have used a larger figure.
The foreign secretary has told The Guardian that the figure splashed across the side of the Leave campaign's battle bus in the run-up to the 2016 Brexit referendum should have been bigger than £350 million.
Johnson was pictured standing in front of the bus which had the slogan "we send the EU £350 million a week, let's fund our NHS instead" emblazoned on the side.
We all make mistakes, true enough, the biggest one is to act as apologist to the leave campaign charlatans,
But you can (as I understand) only gain redemption from Limbo if you are one of the just. Which doesn't bode well.
Every cloud has a silver lining, this time it's the way in which Boris Johnson's despicable nature has been exposed for all to see. Not only is it widely recognised that he is a persistent liar lacking in any conscience, he's also seen as incompetent and lacking judgement in his performance as a foreign secretary.
I've no doubt the damage he's done has inadvertantly helped to bring about the swing to Remain that now exists with a measured reversal of the Referendum result. I see that Arron Banks who funded the Leave campaign has now said twice that if he were to vote again now, it would be to Remain, a very damning reversal for the Brexit cause.
There'll be no cash for the Leave campaign in any fresh referendum, they'll have to manage with an old Transit van in whatever colour it came in.
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From Guardian's report on Arron Banks' appearance this morning:
Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that he would now vote to remain in the EU, blaming the “corruption” in British politics.
“The sewer that exists, the disgraceful behaviour of the government in how they are selling us out means that if I had my time again, I think we would have been better to probably remain and not unleash these demons,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/04/arron-banks-no-russian-money-in-8m-given-to-brexit-campaign
Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that he would now vote to remain in the EU, blaming the “corruption” in British politics.
“The sewer that exists, the disgraceful behaviour of the government in how they are selling us out means that if I had my time again, I think we would have been better to probably remain and not unleash these demons,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/04/arron-banks-no-russian-money-in-8m-given-to-brexit-campaign
I just love this
"Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that he would now vote to remain in the EU, blaming the “corruption” in British politics.
"corruption"? That has to be a confession! who is he to have the brass faced nerve to blame others for that?
He claims the £8 Million pounds was "His own money" and expects us to believe he now wants to abandon the cause he spent it on?
What I ask is the chance of anyone throwing away £8Million of their own money? and reneging on the cause they invested it in because the Government let him down?
Was he really thick enough not to see it coming?
And Glory be call them "Corrupt?"
Does he realy think we are thick enough to believe him?
What say now tillson ?
What is Brexit worth to anyone? even the worst of it's champions has dumped it!
And even messed all over the people who are supposedly in favour of Brexit and trying to make something of it?
Enough is enough lets have an end to this nonsense. Exit Brexit, and investigate and where they are found guilty, prosecute the traitors and saboteurs who are attempting to ruin the nation's future.
"Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that he would now vote to remain in the EU, blaming the “corruption” in British politics.
"corruption"? That has to be a confession! who is he to have the brass faced nerve to blame others for that?
He claims the £8 Million pounds was "His own money" and expects us to believe he now wants to abandon the cause he spent it on?
What I ask is the chance of anyone throwing away £8Million of their own money? and reneging on the cause they invested it in because the Government let him down?
Was he really thick enough not to see it coming?
And Glory be call them "Corrupt?"
Does he realy think we are thick enough to believe him?
What say now tillson ?
What is Brexit worth to anyone? even the worst of it's champions has dumped it!
And even messed all over the people who are supposedly in favour of Brexit and trying to make something of it?
Enough is enough lets have an end to this nonsense. Exit Brexit, and investigate and where they are found guilty, prosecute the traitors and saboteurs who are attempting to ruin the nation's future.
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Looking at the Video again I wonder why no questions were asked about his lies about contacts with the Russians, and how his previous claim that they money was "His own" has changed to it being from "Rock "?
it's from Rock Services! It might be owned by him but it's not his money, which he knows only too well, but still refuses to reveal the ultimate source!
it's from Rock Services! It might be owned by him but it's not his money, which he knows only too well, but still refuses to reveal the ultimate source!
This is interesting
How does a company that lost £281,000 pounds in 2016 provide a donation of £8,000,000 in the same year?
How does a company that lost £281,000 pounds in 2016 provide a donation of £8,000,000 in the same year?
This is the case against him, the money must have come through parent holding company, Rock Holdings. Since that is an Isle of Man company, such a contribution would be illegal, being from outside the UK. It wouldn't matter if it was Russian money, just the IoM connection makes such a transfer illegal.
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I looked that up on Companies House and was scratching my head!This is interesting
How does a company that lost £281,000 pounds in 2016 provide a donation of £8,000,000 in the same year?
Way back in post #110 I posted this
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This can be simplified down to just one question in the end
Have we a Political system that is capable of taking over the running of the country and making it both a going concern and making the public happy outside of the EU.
To me they simply look like a pack of sharks circling a leaking boat.
And I wonder just what is in it for them, who is pulling the strings, and why?
We couldn't manage before the EU and had to beg the French twice to get in, and if anything we are in a far worse case now to survive and thrive alone."
If it was obvious to me and many others, just what made Banks and the other Pound shop versions of Guy Fawkes pour so much of someone undisclosed's money into the leave campaign only to arrive it seems many millions of wasted pounds later at the same conclusion?
Which one quit? was it the organiser or his monkey when the pace grew hot?
There is an all pervasive smell of Rodent about the whole affair, and not just this side of the pond either.
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This can be simplified down to just one question in the end
Have we a Political system that is capable of taking over the running of the country and making it both a going concern and making the public happy outside of the EU.
To me they simply look like a pack of sharks circling a leaking boat.
And I wonder just what is in it for them, who is pulling the strings, and why?
We couldn't manage before the EU and had to beg the French twice to get in, and if anything we are in a far worse case now to survive and thrive alone."
If it was obvious to me and many others, just what made Banks and the other Pound shop versions of Guy Fawkes pour so much of someone undisclosed's money into the leave campaign only to arrive it seems many millions of wasted pounds later at the same conclusion?
Which one quit? was it the organiser or his monkey when the pace grew hot?
There is an all pervasive smell of Rodent about the whole affair, and not just this side of the pond either.
Well, Winnie-the pooh, having contemplated the future under a tory government and out of the EU……
….has decided enough is enough, so he has shared his thoughts with his pal, Piglet and they have decided to leave the UK in search of a better future in an EU country……..
Apparently, the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak, was discovering the real reason why the elite are so desperately keen to get out of the EU. These images were enough for them:
They came to realise that the first image was simply a tory lie…..then the penny dropped and they realised that the real reason for the desperation of the liars and cheats is displayed concisely in the second image, courtesy of the 'remain' camp.
Tom
….has decided enough is enough, so he has shared his thoughts with his pal, Piglet and they have decided to leave the UK in search of a better future in an EU country……..
Apparently, the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak, was discovering the real reason why the elite are so desperately keen to get out of the EU. These images were enough for them:
They came to realise that the first image was simply a tory lie…..then the penny dropped and they realised that the real reason for the desperation of the liars and cheats is displayed concisely in the second image, courtesy of the 'remain' camp.
Tom
They are as flecc posted registered in the IOM
But look at these "subsidiaries" so called in America
Subsidiaries: Quicken Loans, LowerMyBills.com, Classes USA, Inc.
Parent organization: Rock Holdings Inc.
Headquarters: Detroit, Michigan, United States
CEO: Jay Farner
President: Bob Walters
Founded: 1985
Founders: Dan Gilbert, Gary Gilbert, Lindsay Gross
Claimed to be Biggest Mortgage lender in the USA is a subsidiary of a company that loses £280 million pounds in 2016?
And Classes USA?
According to Bloombeg
"Classes USA, Inc. operates an online higher-education portal. The company provides content on topics, including online associate, online a
certificate programs, traditional college and university degrees.
And according to Bloomberg No transactions available in the past 12 months.
And a reaction from someone who clicked on their advert
The "$5,760 grant" is GARBAGE- all you get is 5,760 phone calls
Already enrolled in school, I clicked on the ad on Facebook . . . and tumbled into the abyss known as "Classes USA." After filling out the ridiculous amount of information they require, all I have gotten ever since is numerous and repeated phone calls (until you threaten to file suit, most places to not take "no" for an answer).
Long story short, if you're only looking for the "guaranteed grant," don't EVEN get started with them, because not ONLY is there no mention of money ANYWHERE, but there is no way to contact THEM -- even on their website, the "contact" page is completely BLANK . . . and the only phone number listed for them -- through the Better Business Bureau's web page -- is disconnected.
Most interesting of all is this from the Quicken Loans Corporate site
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Rock Holdings Inc. is the parent company of several FinTech businesses. These companies include Quicken Loans, the world’s largest online lender and its web-based One Reverse Mortgage unit; Amrock, a centralized 50-state provider of title insurance and settlement services; Quicken Loans Mortgage Services (QLMS), a tech-enabled mortgage origination platform servicing community banks and credit unions across the country; Rocket Homes, a digital platform creating a seamless, fully-integrated home buying and selling experience for clients nationwide; RocketLoans, the fastest online personal loan platform in America; Rock Connections, a national strategic marketing company specializing in outbound and inbound client service for numerous online, technology and other businesses.
Rock Holdings Inc. employs more than 16,000 team members and is headquartered in Detroit.
Whereas
From Bloomberg
Company Overview of Rock Holdings, Ltd.
2nd floor, Murdoch Chambers
South Quay
Douglas, IM1 5AS
Isle of Man
Rock Holdings, Ltd. does not have any Key Executives recorded.
The question is
Perhaps not but they sure as hell are getting into all sort of underhand business registrations and behind a lot of false identity claims!
Didn't anyone spot the clue that one Rock Holdings was .Ltd and the other .Inc?
So Banks wants us to believe that a second floor office in the Isle of Man with no named executives has as a subsidiary a major US company with 16,000 employees?
As Grytpipe Thynne on the Goon Show used to say
" Ah, Neddy lad! have this photograph of a Shilling, and there's more where that came from!"
This isn't even second rate subterfuge
It's excrutiatingly and pathetically amateur
This Banks character would have been banished from Clan Bell as being hopelessly inept.
Reminds me of myself aged ten when confronted with a broken greenhouse window and the fact I was holding a catapult.
"I can explain Dad, I was cleaning it and it went off."
And Father smiled and said "Your Mother's coming, I suggest you had better try screaming and begging."
I recomend the latter course of action to this Bank's fella.
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But Arron Banks wants us to believe the money came from the UK company - which is why I went to Companies House to see what information was there.