Brexit, for once some facts.
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But like all diets they leave one still feeling hungry afterwards.
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.. raise you one and trump you. Ireland traditionally had twice as much cattle as people. Our cattle were bigger than your sheep!!.(still are)
But as a recent meat scandal revealed, lots of the so-called cattle were actually horses!
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.. always the bitter word!!.... Nice one.But as a recent meat scandal revealed, lots of the so-called cattle were actually horses!
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How to win friends and influence the Hoi Polloi!
But not methinks the so called Elite.
And bound to instil a ferocious response from you know who's propaganda machine.
Assuming there is a no deal scenario next March do posters think this will lead to a GE and if so will Tories lose?
Personally think there will be a deal and May will see out her term but even in event of another GE could Corbyn actually get into no 10?, Again can't see it myself.
Personally think there will be a deal and May will see out her term but even in event of another GE could Corbyn actually get into no 10?, Again can't see it myself.
I think we'll know well before March if there is no deal. Both sides pretend that the negotiation is very fraught so that they can fudge those red lines. The EU effectively sells 2 year SM access for £39 billions, mad not to take the money. TM has to save her own skin, she will shake that money tree once more.
In the unlikely situation that the deal is rejected by parliament, TM will go back to Brussels to ask for a little more re-assurance from the EU but I don't think it will go as far as a GE.
I fully agree with Woosh and yourself, there'll be a deal to save skins all round. In fact I think that's already largely arranged by both the EU and UK, but the pretence of there still being problems makes it easier to convince the hard Brexiters they did their best.
It will be soft Brexit dressed up to look a bit hard. We'll pay 39 billions for our pre-commitments and later agree more sums for trading access. The European Court will still be the final arbiter in most matters and the politicians will be hoping any resultant fuss soon dies down. It will, the public have more important things to be concerned with.
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MY post #35521 pretty much says the same thing, a deal is there, they just haven't started the Marketing Campaign and printed the adverts to go with it.
The Conservatives fear Corby too much to go for a "No Deal" with the trouble that will bring.
Mind you , all they will succeed in doing is ensuring that trouble occurs later rather than sooner.
The Conservatives fear Corby too much to go for a "No Deal" with the trouble that will bring.
Mind you , all they will succeed in doing is ensuring that trouble occurs later rather than sooner.
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Yes, from THAT paper again:
Give Britain a new referendum on Brexit, says Sadiq Khan
Mayor of London’s call for people’s vote adds to pressure on Jeremy Corbyn
Toby Helm
Sat 15 Sep 2018 20.29 BST Last modified on Sat 15 Sep 2018 22.00 BST
Sadiq Khan, left, with the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
The mayor of London has issued a dramatic call for another referendum on EU membership, insisting that the people must be given the chance to reject a Brexit deal that will be bad for the economy, jobs and the NHS.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/15/sadiq-khan-new-referendum-peoples-vote-labour-corbyn
Give Britain a new referendum on Brexit, says Sadiq Khan
Mayor of London’s call for people’s vote adds to pressure on Jeremy Corbyn
Toby Helm
Sat 15 Sep 2018 20.29 BST Last modified on Sat 15 Sep 2018 22.00 BST
Sadiq Khan, left, with the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. Photograph: Chris J Ratcliffe/Getty Images
The mayor of London has issued a dramatic call for another referendum on EU membership, insisting that the people must be given the chance to reject a Brexit deal that will be bad for the economy, jobs and the NHS.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/15/sadiq-khan-new-referendum-peoples-vote-labour-corbyn
It was a well timed wake up call "don't put all your eggs in the same basket". The EU is 27 baskets all of the same shape and size which helps keep production costs down.
He just moved into a new flat. No internet except at work
That is a story for another thread.
Nope not even close, 7 ewes which at lambing time... The number was volontarily reduced by the farmers to piviledge quality over quantity. My father had 3000 ewes and 200 hereford cows on 379 hectacres.
Whatever brexit is now or on 29/03/2019, it might well mean something else, indeterminate and unknown, in the future. OK sounds wonderful. Let's all vote for the never-ending turmoil and changes...
Chequers deal could be undone after Britain leaves EU, claims Gove
Environment secretary says Theresa May’s plan is ‘right one for now’ to ensure Brexit
MPs could undo the Chequers deal once the UK has left the EU, Michael Gove has claimed, saying the prime minister’s proposal was the “right one for now”.
The environment secretary, a prominent Brexiter, has regularly made a similar case in private to MPs, urging them to back May to see through Britain’s exit rather than risk an impasse in parliament or a general election.
If the EU changed its rules to disadvantage Britain, he said, it would be up to parliament to “chart this nation’s destiny” and potentially change the relationship, he said.
Asked if the prime minister’s plan was permanent, he told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “Yes, but there’s one critical thing, a future prime minister could always choose to alter the relationship between Britain and the European Union.
“But the Chequers approach is the right one for now because we have got to make sure that we respect that vote and take advantage of the opportunities of being outside the European Union.”
Gove said the UK had shown flexibility and that it was now for the EU to show some willingness to compromise.
“I’ve compromised,” he added. “I’ve been quite clear that some of the things that I argued for in the referendum passionately, as a result of Chequers I have to qualify one or two of my views. I have to acknowledge the parliamentary arithmetic.
“I believe the critical thing is making sure we leave in good order with a deal which safeguards the referendum mandate.”
It is OK for the brexit mob to accept a deal then change it. But not OK for leavers to maintain, consistently, that they do not want to leave. You can be pretty sure that we won't be asked whether we'd like future changes - whoever we are - other than if a GE is coming up.
Chequers deal could be undone after Britain leaves EU, claims Gove
Environment secretary says Theresa May’s plan is ‘right one for now’ to ensure Brexit
MPs could undo the Chequers deal once the UK has left the EU, Michael Gove has claimed, saying the prime minister’s proposal was the “right one for now”.
The environment secretary, a prominent Brexiter, has regularly made a similar case in private to MPs, urging them to back May to see through Britain’s exit rather than risk an impasse in parliament or a general election.
If the EU changed its rules to disadvantage Britain, he said, it would be up to parliament to “chart this nation’s destiny” and potentially change the relationship, he said.
Asked if the prime minister’s plan was permanent, he told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “Yes, but there’s one critical thing, a future prime minister could always choose to alter the relationship between Britain and the European Union.
“But the Chequers approach is the right one for now because we have got to make sure that we respect that vote and take advantage of the opportunities of being outside the European Union.”
Gove said the UK had shown flexibility and that it was now for the EU to show some willingness to compromise.
“I’ve compromised,” he added. “I’ve been quite clear that some of the things that I argued for in the referendum passionately, as a result of Chequers I have to qualify one or two of my views. I have to acknowledge the parliamentary arithmetic.
“I believe the critical thing is making sure we leave in good order with a deal which safeguards the referendum mandate.”
It is OK for the brexit mob to accept a deal then change it. But not OK for leavers to maintain, consistently, that they do not want to leave. You can be pretty sure that we won't be asked whether we'd like future changes - whoever we are - other than if a GE is coming up.
it's OK for a future government to reverse brexit and rejoin the EU too by the same token.
All we need at the moment is for the impacts to be understood so that when a definitive deal is struck sometime within the next two years, a clear margin to emerge.