Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

It would seem to me that whatever deal we end up with, it is already pretty much agreed, we are simply in the "Softening up of the Public" phase as predicted in order to be able to announce a "Great Victory" and somehow at the same time "keep on the Friendlest of terms" with the EU so both sides can sell the deal to their internal audience.

Perhaps the best way to describe this is "Contract RentaBrino," with an annual mileage limit, on second had pre owned Model.

I suppose on the basis that none of the population will be happy with the result, it can be called "Democratic" or perhaps "Equally unacceptable"
And hopefully dispel any remaining doubt about the advantages of Brexit.

This is no victory For Brexit voters,as it will simply cement the Tory Government in place for a while at least and leave them free to work any excess that they haven't dared to before, under the excuse of "must reluctantly do this legislation " to comply with the "Will of the people"

 

[Woosh]

Perhaps the best way to describe this is "Contract RentaBrino," with an annual mileage limit, on second had pre owned Model.

Chequers is much nearer to Canada than any customs union, leave alone the single market. That's why the EU sees a lot of +s in it. Chequers is bad for both sides of the debate but it's the only middle of the road plan at the moment.

 

[oldgroaner]

Chequers is much nearer to Canada than any customs union, leave alone the single market. That's why the EU sees a lot of +s in it. Chequers is bad for both sides of the debate but it's the only middle of the road plan at the moment.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a clear idea of exactly what is the current proposal is in it's entirety?
It has been so badly mauled around I have to confess my information is undoubtedly out of date, especially with regard to what is acceptable to the EU.

They will need a new acronym for this agreement , here's my contender
BETA
Two explanations for the Choice

1. British Economic Trade Agreement
2. Beta equals Second Best to Membership of the EU

 

[Woosh]

Beta equals Second Best to Membership of the EU

you can't leave and keep all the benefits, even if you are willing to pay more than before.
I already gave the example of exporting to Norway, which is as close to the EU as one can get after brexit.
Forget about selling on stuff you import from elsewhere to the EU27. Brexit means more red tape, less opportunities whichever way you try to compromise, but it is a political choice, so pay the price and get on with it until enough people want to reverse it.

 

[Woosh]

a lot of people do not realise the importance of the 'Single VAT area' of the EU.
It is essentially it that makes cross-border frictionless trade possible.
Every year, EU countries lose up to €50 billion to cross-border Value Added Tax fraud.

 

[Woosh]

the Pound has been rising since the ERG released their own brexit plan.
It fizzled as soon as released, its effect lasted less than 1 1/2 hours. Immediately after its release (last Wednesday), the Pound fell from $1.303 to $1.299. Since, the Pound continues to recover, it's now at $1.313.
The market has dismissed the ERG.

 

[oyster]

Chequers is much nearer to Canada

Saint Pierre and Miquelon are even closer to Canada...

(Relevance, about zero.)

 

[flecc]

Saint Pierre and Miquelon are even closer to Canada...

(Relevance, about zero.)

But not as close as Justin Bieber.

(Even less relevant)

 

[Woosh]

Saint Pierre and Miquelon are even closer to Canada...

(Relevance, about zero.)

my best friend in my first year at uni came from Saint Pierre and Miquelon.

 

[flecc]

my best friend in my first year at uni came from Saint Pierre and Miquelon.

Phew!!

For one moment I thought you were going to say he came out of Justin Bieber.
.

 

[oyster]

BBC now reporting:

Electoral Commission got Brexit law wrong over Vote Leave, court rules

 

[Woosh]

apparently, the ERG charges its members £20,000 a year subscription fees which members can claim back from the HoC. So, the ERG is funded by the public purse at the tune of 50 * £20k = £1m a year plus other grants.
They, also apparently, use the money to wine and dine members and donors.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/tory-brexit-faction-erg-censured-for-using-public-funds-for-campaigning

 

[oldgroaner]

apparently, the ERG charges its members £20,000 a year subscription fees which members can claim back from the HoC. So, the ERG is funded by the public purse at the tune of 50 * £20k = £1m a year plus other grants.
They, also apparently, use the money to wine and dine members and donors.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/tory-brexit-faction-erg-censured-for-using-public-funds-for-campaigning

Time some of them enjoyed a stay in an establishment
"At her Majesty's Pleasure"

 

[Woosh]

my pick of the press today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/opinion/brexit-conservatives-boris-trump.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

Quote:
...

For hard-liners such as Jacob Rees-Mogg, it is an article of faith that Britain’s Treasury Department, the Bank of England and Downing Street itself are now conspiring to deny Britain its sovereignty. It is thought that Mr. Davis’s real grudge was with the unelected official, Olly Robbins, who had usurped him in his influence over the Brexit process. The problem was that Mr. Robbins is willing and able to do the laborious and intellectually demanding policy work that Brexit will require, while Mr. Davis is famously not.

...

But another byproduct of the anti-government attitude is a constant wave of exits. Britain leaves the European Union, Mr. Johnson resigns from the cabinet. The Trump White House has been defined by the constant churn of sackings and resignations. With astonishing hypocrisy, wealthy Brexiteers such as Mr. Rees-Mogg, John Redwood, Lord Lawson and Lord Ashcroft have all been discovered either preparing to move their own assets into European Union jurisdictions or advising clients on how to do so. No doubt when Britain does finally leave the European Union in March 2019, they will distance themselves from reality once more, allowing the sense of victimhood and the dream of “sovereignty” to live another day. Meanwhile, someone has to keep governing.

 

[Fingers]

Time some of them enjoyed a stay in an establishment
"At her Majesty's Pleasure"

Buckingham Palace?

 

[flecc]

Buckingham Palace?

Does it have a basement dungeon?
.

 

[oldgroaner]

Buckingham Palace?

Does that mean you approve of what they did?

 

[Fingers]

Does that mean you approve of what they did?

No

 

[oldgroaner]

Good, but a little pre warning when you intend to make a joke would help, I wouldn't want to miss it

No

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[oldgroaner]

The right wing propaganda machine is really struggling now
"
The Times reports on claims that MI6 believed former Labour leader Michael Foot was a paid informant of the Soviet Union. In a new book by columnist Ben Macintyre, he says the intelligence service was prepared to warn the Queen about his background when he stood to be prime minister.

The paper says the book corroborates allegations made by a former Soviet defector who said Mr Foot had received a series of "clandestine payments" from the KGB. The revelations come 23 years after the former Labour leader called such claims a "big lie" and successfully sued the paper.

"Even though he was supposedly paid by the Soviets, Mr Gordievsky said that the politician was not a ‘spy or conscious agent’.
Instead he was allegedly a contact who was paid for ‘disinformation purposes’, meaning he might have been fed false information."

So if ever there was a non story this is it
The man making the allegations was a turncoat, and confirmed that Mr Foot Mr Foot was "supposedly paid by the Soviets but he was not a spy or conscious agent"

Click Bait for the Tory voters intended to raise their anger in case of a snap election

Since it's sister paper the Sunday Times was successfully sued over these lies the Times is pushing it's luck in a legal sense by printing them again.