Brexit, for once some facts.
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What is that supposed to mean?
According to the Guardian
There are 736 MEPs of which we had 73
"There are just nine non-white MEPs here, 1.1% of the total. Five of them come from Britain. Add MEPs of recent Turkish/Kurdish descent and there are a grand total of 13 MEPs whose ethnic origins could be said to lie outside Europe.
Which means a reduction of........wait for it 1 when we leave.
Earth Shattering, especially bearing in mind that when we leave it's none of our business anyway, is it?
Allow me to register Fake shock and fake Horror at this revelation
So the principle you expound is that white people can only represent white people is it?
Fascinating insight!
let's say for the sake of argument a situation arises where no none white persons stands for election, does that Parliament then naturally no longer qualify as a democracy?
Or that it doesn't include Humans of all different categories and Classifications, for instance Young, or Old, Blonde, Brunette, Bald, Sane, or Mad as a Box of Frogs? Doesn't that using your logic disqualify it as well?
It isn't fully a democracy anyway, the Commission appointed. That's intentional since the path to union wouldn't be possible by getting 28 countries to agree everything.
It only becomes a parliamentary democracy when union as one country is achieved, at which point the Commission is disbanded.
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The one over-riding qualification is obviously self-serving.
OG I was agreeing with sentiments expressed by Neena Gill. She is more qualified than us to comment on lack of ethnic minority representation than either of us.
Above quote is hers from the link you claimed to be fake news.
As for being represented by those from differing ethnicity, colour, gender and background. No not at all, white middle class males are fine to govern us all.
"It isn't fully a democracy anyway! ". Priceless Flecc.
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Forget your bigotry about the EU for a change and open your mind.
The EU has an unelected Commission whose decisons can be overruled by the EU parliament. The UK has an unelected House of Lords whose decisons can only be overruled under certain circumstances.
That makes the EU more democratic.
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The Express are fortunate their Readers have no historical knowledge
The dared to print this for obvious Propaganda reasons
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Hitler’s British Traitors
Newly released secret documents show the true extent of Britain’s Fifth Column
By TIM TATE
The readers comments vary from blaming the Irish, of that time and the present Government.
There really should be something done about these rabble rousing so called newspapers where they are required to acknowledge their own historical complicity in matters like this.
The dared to print this for obvious Propaganda reasons
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Hitler’s British Traitors
Newly released secret documents show the true extent of Britain’s Fifth Column
By TIM TATE
The readers comments vary from blaming the Irish, of that time and the present Government.
There really should be something done about these rabble rousing so called newspapers where they are required to acknowledge their own historical complicity in matters like this.
Still the do at least provide the occasional comedy
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Will it NEVER end? Remainers to launch NEW party to take us BACK into the EU after Brexit
REMAIN supporters are plotting to create a new political party to take the UK back into the EU after Brexit in a move which could split both the Labour and Conservative Parties, according to shocking new reports.
After forty years of wittering from the leave nutters to get us out, they now imagine that people are "plotting" to exercise their democratic rights?
Why is this shocking? What is shocking is that Brexit hasn't been cancelled as a botched and illegal result.
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Will it NEVER end? Remainers to launch NEW party to take us BACK into the EU after Brexit
REMAIN supporters are plotting to create a new political party to take the UK back into the EU after Brexit in a move which could split both the Labour and Conservative Parties, according to shocking new reports.
After forty years of wittering from the leave nutters to get us out, they now imagine that people are "plotting" to exercise their democratic rights?
Why is this shocking? What is shocking is that Brexit hasn't been cancelled as a botched and illegal result.
Back to reality in the Guardian
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Car manufacturing in Britain fell by 11% in July, reports SMMT
Trade body calls for ‘political and economic clarity’ after sharp reduction in UK demand
The number of cars built in UK factories slumped by 11% last month compared with a year ago.
Just over 121,000 cars left production lines, with a fall of 35% in models built for the UK, according to the latest figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT). Car production for export in July fell by 4.2%.
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Car manufacturing in Britain fell by 11% in July, reports SMMT
Trade body calls for ‘political and economic clarity’ after sharp reduction in UK demand
The number of cars built in UK factories slumped by 11% last month compared with a year ago.
Just over 121,000 cars left production lines, with a fall of 35% in models built for the UK, according to the latest figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT). Car production for export in July fell by 4.2%.
In the Independent
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EU says it will offer UK post-Brexit deal ‘unlike any it has given another country’
Pound rallies on apparent good news but fundamentals appear unchanged – so far
The EU is prepared to offer Britain a trade deal unlike any it has ever offered another country, the bloc's chief Brexit negotiator has said.
Michel Barnier however reiterated that the European Union would not divide or change the single market for Britain, warning: “We respect Britain's red lines scrupulously. In return, they must respect what we are.”
Though Mr Barnier has repeatedly said the bloc is ready to offer its “most ambitious” free trade agreement ever to Britain, markets appeared to interpret his latest comments as suggesting he was close to a deal – causing sterling to jump up by 1 per cent.
So what is the official response from us?
"But Theresa May’s unofficial Brexit minister David Lidington, who coordinates Cabinet activity around leaving the EU, said the UK would only accept the Chequers deal or a no-deal.
in other deal we don't want a better deal you have to let us have our own way?
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EU says it will offer UK post-Brexit deal ‘unlike any it has given another country’
Pound rallies on apparent good news but fundamentals appear unchanged – so far
The EU is prepared to offer Britain a trade deal unlike any it has ever offered another country, the bloc's chief Brexit negotiator has said.
Michel Barnier however reiterated that the European Union would not divide or change the single market for Britain, warning: “We respect Britain's red lines scrupulously. In return, they must respect what we are.”
Though Mr Barnier has repeatedly said the bloc is ready to offer its “most ambitious” free trade agreement ever to Britain, markets appeared to interpret his latest comments as suggesting he was close to a deal – causing sterling to jump up by 1 per cent.
So what is the official response from us?
"But Theresa May’s unofficial Brexit minister David Lidington, who coordinates Cabinet activity around leaving the EU, said the UK would only accept the Chequers deal or a no-deal.
in other deal we don't want a better deal you have to let us have our own way?
it's fighting talk. Of course David Lidington and Michel Barnier are both right, they haven't contradicted one another.
we'll have a deal that says not much on FTA other than recognising that the UK is not like any other third country, which is in itself an understatement.
there is still plenty of time for all sorts of scenarios, including cancelling brexit after brexit day. The likeliest is still Chequers, the EU would have most to gain financially and our hard brexiters can claim victory over the EU.
Changes to sterling like this are all very well, but they only reflect what those who influence rates think. And those thoughts can change in a blink. Such changes often do not reflect underlying reality - after all, a hint from Barnier is just that, not some actual agreement.
the exchange rate reflects the pricing of the Pound where we are heading:
hard brexit: £1 = 1 EURO, $1.17
no brexit: £1 = 1.25 Euro, $1.5
Chequers: £1 = 1.2 Euro, $1.4
A hard brexit will cause the Pound to drop initially due to some people pulling their assets out of the UK and little demand for Sterling, the Pound will drop consequently but should recover quickly back to the current level in 2020-2021.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/eu-criticised-leaving-out-ethnic-minorities-diversity-drive
Same message, different author. Can't see why pointing this out justifies label bigot. The bigots are the ones keeping or justifying this unfair situation.
Same old story, EU shouts about diversity, equal opportunities,, gender equality, stamping out racism etc etc but actually can be seen to be doing absolute bare minimum to achieve the ideals it suggests.
Take a look at the 750 MEPs then walk through any European city. The contrast is startling. What other institution is governed by entirely white (OK under 1% black next year) folk.
Perhaps KKK or EDL has fewer ethnic minority or black folk but not much in it.
Same message, different author. Can't see why pointing this out justifies label bigot. The bigots are the ones keeping or justifying this unfair situation.
Same old story, EU shouts about diversity, equal opportunities,, gender equality, stamping out racism etc etc but actually can be seen to be doing absolute bare minimum to achieve the ideals it suggests.
Take a look at the 750 MEPs then walk through any European city. The contrast is startling. What other institution is governed by entirely white (OK under 1% black next year) folk.
Perhaps KKK or EDL has fewer ethnic minority or black folk but not much in it.
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Doesn't it say this?
"the commission has set as its goal the creation of “a better workplace for all – including women, staff with disabilities, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual and intersex (LGBTI) staff and older staff”.
Note, "for all, including"
Ergo black and ethnic minorities are included, even visitors from other planets if they can get a work visa.
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you should blame the voting system which is decided by member countries, not the Commission or the ECJ.
The EU is what it is because it's a club - its rules are made by members through consensus. It does not govern directly, so sometimes it's irksome to hear criticism about lack of democracy.
My objection to the EU is about the speed of integration, not so much its overall objectives. Too fast for my liking.
Didn't I point out yesterday that is due to the the member countries and not the EU? And now Woosh has made the same point.
In fact I've reminded you of this relationship many times, so what is it with you that fails to recognise this?
Despite this truth you still repetitively and wrongly blame the EU for things they do not and cannot control under their constitution, so that is what defines you as a bigot.
The answer is in your hands, judge from the reality and not what you imagine it might be.
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I'm pretty sure you won't see ethnic minorities being elected in Bulgaria or Austria...
