Brexit, for once some facts.

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From the Express
Another "Betrayal" for the Brexit Voters
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Liam Fox suggest 'tens of thousands' migration target could be SCRAPPED after Brexit
LIAM Fox suggested the UK could scrap the current migration target policy in the aftermath of Brexit after the Government announced plans to give EU citizens the right to stay in the event of a no deal."

For Fox sake! is there any promise they will keep?
 
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For Fox sake! is there any promise they will keep?
they are politicians.
The promises they make today will be gone the day after tomorrow.
How else do they square circles?
The fault is with the electorate to believe that we are special and we can have cake and eating it.
 
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It's a pi chart.
Not so, that's confusing it with Pi. The segment chart has always been named Pie.

From Wikipedia:

It's a pie chart.

The chart was invented (or at least, documented for the first time) in 1801 by British engineer William Playfair.

He also invented the line chart and bar chart, and is generally credited with being the first person to use graphics rather than tables of figures to convey numerical information.

He named it because it looked like a pie.
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It certainly would.. it certainly would OG..lol

I`ll give you a `fools pardon` again with your preconception of things NI and file your last in the "Foot in Mouth" folder ;)
you have to understand catholics here aren`t stupid, they won`t be turkeys voting for Christmas - do a bit of research and find out where are the areas here that have the most benefit claimants for example! Tells you all you need to know.
No way are they going to wake up in a cash-strapped ROI that can hardly afford to keep their own show on the road.

New poll finds just 21% support for a united Ireland, despite fears about post-Brexit Irish border

The poll, commissioned by academics at Queen’s University Belfast for a major piece of research examining how Brexit is shaping political opinion in Northern Ireland, found that not even half of Catholics would vote for a united Ireland, with just 42.6% of Catholics favouring that option


And a second poll, commissioned by think tank Policy Exchange ahead of a major conference in London today examining the future of the Union, found that a clear majority of people across the UK are in favour of the Union in its current form – with 68% support in England, 52% in Scotland, 66% in Wales and 59% in Northern Ireland. The ICM poll also found that a majority of people in the UK say their support for the Union has remained constant or has risen in recent years – 78% in England, 60% in Scotland, 69% in Wales, 70% in Northern Ireland.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/new-poll-finds-just-21-support-for-a-united-ireland-despite-fears-about-post-brexit-irish-border/
This one extract shows how worthless such polls are Tommie:

"If Irish unity led to Catholic voters being £3,500 a year worse off, just 22% of Catholics would vote for unity, yet if it led to them being £3,500 better off that figure would more than double to over 54%."

So it just takes a trifling amount to make them change their mind!

Enough to buy a decent e-bike and the unity enabling them to ride it legally. ;)
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He named it because it looked like a pie.
Which, for anyone familiar with traditional plate pies, is so obvious that you wouldn't even think to mention it. (Slightly different, perhaps, if your view of pies is meat pie in an oblong pie dish with rounded corners, shepherd's or cottage pie, piragi, or whatever. :) )

Just why anyone would have chosen to name it a "pi" chart escapes me. You don't need to use π to work out the angles. The absolute area is irrelevant.
 
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It certainly would.. it certainly would OG..lol

I`ll give you a `fools pardon` again with your preconception of things NI and file your last in the "Foot in Mouth" folder ;)
you have to understand catholics here aren`t stupid, they won`t be turkeys voting for Christmas - do a bit of research and find out where are the areas here that have the most benefit claimants for example! Tells you all you need to know.
No way are they going to wake up in a cash-strapped ROI that can hardly afford to keep their own show on the road.

New poll finds just 21% support for a united Ireland, despite fears about post-Brexit Irish border

The poll, commissioned by academics at Queen’s University Belfast for a major piece of research examining how Brexit is shaping political opinion in Northern Ireland, found that not even half of Catholics would vote for a united Ireland, with just 42.6% of Catholics favouring that option


And a second poll, commissioned by think tank Policy Exchange ahead of a major conference in London today examining the future of the Union, found that a clear majority of people across the UK are in favour of the Union in its current form – with 68% support in England, 52% in Scotland, 66% in Wales and 59% in Northern Ireland. The ICM poll also found that a majority of people in the UK say their support for the Union has remained constant or has risen in recent years – 78% in England, 60% in Scotland, 69% in Wales, 70% in Northern Ireland.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/new-poll-finds-just-21-support-for-a-united-ireland-despite-fears-about-post-brexit-irish-border/
We can agree Tommie that the Catholic population in NI, or even in the RoI are not stupid, and neither are their fellow Christians of whatever flavour... . On mainland UK, there is a presumption that Catholic equates to Nationist and Protestant to Unionist(in the UK. context). We know that that is only at best a partial truth.

The vast majority iof the people of the island of Ireland are unionists...we seek to preserve the current EU... That is not a partial truth,as shown when in your part of the country a referendum was held and as multiple opinion polls in the south have shown.

When, as in my opinion, it is inevitable, that the financial situation post BREXIt means that the subventions which the uk are currently giving to NI are reduced, and the the hardships that highly distrupted trading conditions will impose, the" non stupid " people's of NI will resent the UKs ideological stance, and also that of the DUP, which continues to flaunt the will of their electrorate. Again my fear is that this results in a vacuum of democratic power with violence as an outcome... There is no working democratic centre in NI politics.
Speaking for myself, but also echoing southern political thought, we do not want to form a political union with NI where nearly 50% of the population would be sullen and resentful. So it would be folly to suggest that there would be any appetite for any such poll.
 

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Which, for anyone familiar with traditional plate pies, is so obvious that you wouldn't even think to mention it. (Slightly different, perhaps, if your view of pies is meat pie in an oblong pie dish with rounded corners, shepherd's or cottage pie, piragi, or whatever. :) )

Just why anyone would have chosen to name it a "pi" chart escapes me. You don't need to use π to work out the angles. The absolute area is irrelevant.
Absolutely. Pi references the ratio of the radius of a circle to its circumference, nothing whatsoever to do with an internal segment of a circle.

In 1801 pies were a popular staple food, many ate them daily. There were pie bakers everywhere and people would send out for a pie just as they do for pizzas today. It would have been entirely natural for William to have used the pie as his descriptor, and as an engineer he wouldn't have made so fundamental a mistake as to use Pi.
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Just why anyone would have chosen to name it a "pi" chart escapes me.
some math people prefer Greek characters as symbols because they stand out. π is just one of those things where a it's meant to be a short symbol, easy to chalk on a black board and an onomatopoeia if you speak English.
Nowhere else in the world, beside English speaking, you would see that use.
easier than writing 饼形图 on a chalk board.
 
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Absolutely. Pi references the ratio of the radius of a circle to its circumference, nothing whatsoever to do with an internal segment of a circle.

In 1801 pies were a popular staple food, many ate them daily. There were pie bakers everywhere and people would send out for a pie just as they do for pizzas today. It would have been entirely natural for William to have used the pie as his descriptor, and as an engineer he wouldn't have made so fundamental a mistake as to use Pi.
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Hasn't the rectangular pie with rounded corners infringed an Apple patent?:eek:
There's only one shape for a proper pie....;)


Pies are still popular in Scotland , and the "proper" shape too!
 

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some math people prefer Greek characters as symbols because they stand out. π is just one of those things where a it's meant to be a short symbol, easy to chalk on a black board and an onomatopoeia if you speak English.
Nowhere else in the world, beside English speaking, you would see that use.
easier than writing 饼形图 on a chalk board.
Here is my candidate for onomatopoeia of the day


Trump by name and Trump by nature
 

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Magistrates with criminal records 'would boost diversity'
The White House chose the opposite approach. Give criminal records to those who have "served" in it/on the team.

(Though I have to ask if it has had any impact on diversity levels there? It sometimes feels as if the entire administration is white and criminal.)


Donald Trump: 'worst hour' for president as Manafort and Cohen guilty
Former campaign chairman’s conviction and ex-lawyer’s plea deliver double blow as president faces legal jeopardy
 

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some math people prefer Greek characters as symbols because they stand out. π is just one of those things where a it's meant to be a short symbol, easy to chalk on a black board and an onomatopoeia if you speak English.
Nowhere else in the world, beside English speaking, you would see that use.
easier than writing 饼形图 on a chalk board.
What do they write in Greece?
 
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definitely food related.
Pie Pie?

That sounds like a pie with a filling of yesterday's pies!

P.S. Is this the greatest thread in the history of the Web? The range of subjects covered would certainly suggest that. All it needs is an index to rival Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Britannica.
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Pie Pie?

That sounds like a pie with a filling of yesterday's pies!

P.S. Is this the greatest thread in the history of the Web? The range of subjects covered would certainly suggest that. All it needs is an index to rival Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Britannica.
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Flecc, we are the proletariat....:cool:

The World First and Original Unsocial Media Soap Box ,
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Complete with it's own Thought Police too!
Where the art of Debate crosses paths with Mixed Martial Arts and Australian Football.

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Perhaps we could sell the Movie Rights?
 
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