I don't think those suckers will result in many new strawberry plants.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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MPs are elected as the responsible voice of their constituencies. They have by accepting their seats promised to become the decision makers. ..And to hold the permanent government ( the civil service ) to account. it's part of the job description.
The type of person who puts themselves forward, is rarely a shrinking violet, so it is blizzare that they would walk away from making a decision in the future. Like I said it's taught in Management 101...
I am not responding to your query about disagreement, it is ground i have have discussed previously, with others , and is no longer relevant to a BRExit discussion as it enters it's end game. How the UK got itself into this position is history. But what is worrying is that there has been little development of a strategy and time is running out. It is not only that your HoC is divided, but so is the cabinet.. that is the bit which is unprecedented
Security row over EU Galileo satellite project as Britain is shut out
Fears over impact on Brexit talks with UK taxpayers having already contributed £1bn
I'll just note that until very recently, there was considerable trust between/among countries about very serious issues. Seems an awful lot of that has disappeared. For goodness sake, when Canada and USA appear daggers drawn...[/QUOTE]
That would be a mistake by the EU,
And I am sure that the penny will drop as to why it’s a mistake, very quickly in EU land.
Fears over impact on Brexit talks with UK taxpayers having already contributed £1bn
I'll just note that until very recently, there was considerable trust between/among countries about very serious issues. Seems an awful lot of that has disappeared. For goodness sake, when Canada and USA appear daggers drawn...[/QUOTE]
That would be a mistake by the EU,
And I am sure that the penny will drop as to why it’s a mistake, very quickly in EU land.
there are plenty who don't feel happy about the EU but have no idea how to leave. Then there are the right wing newspapers and local clubs putting pressure on those whose constituencies have voted leave...
Their attitude seems to be 'I voted remain but I respect the result, I therefore support my government etc'. They don't have anything to say on the subject.
This page from the BBC news online tells you all you need to know about Britain's future prospects as a nation with little in the way of exports that other nations might actually wish to buy.
When the banking cartel decides the time is right and migrate to mainland Europe along with the carmakers, then the leave voters will have what they asked for - sovereignty outside of the EU. They'll have bucketloads of the stuff!
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When the banking cartel decides the time is right and migrate to mainland Europe along with the carmakers, then the leave voters will have what they asked for - sovereignty outside of the EU. They'll have bucketloads of the stuff!
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Tom
That would be a mistake by the EU,
And I am sure that the penny will drop as to why it’s a mistake, very quickly in EU land.[/QUOTE]
How odd when we have a healine like this in the Express
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BREXIT SHOCK: UK threatens to QUIT Galileo system after bitter EU blocks access
THE UK has threatened to quit the EU's Galileo navigation system after Brussels refused to give Britain full access to the scheme after Brexit."
Meaning what exactly?
They didn't leave us, remember, we left them, creating this situation because we never saw it coming.
There's no reason for them to change their mind, regardless of the propaganda from our government.
You are assuming they need us for some reason.
Apart from some cash that they can either find or delay the project, would you trust a competitor with as poor a record for honest dealings as this country with security sensitive access?
With a government that is dishonest with it's own member MP's and even inside the cabinet?
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On the basis that it may not be too late, even now, to step back from the brink of the approaching disaster, I think it's important that the electorate takes stock of the politics involved in arriving at the state we are in today:
Tom
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From the Daily Mail
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Corbyn is rocked by a major Brexit revolt as SIX of Labour's top team resign and 89 rebel following orders to abstain in vote on staying in the EU single market
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Corbyn is rocked by a major Brexit revolt as SIX of Labour's top team resign and 89 rebel following orders to abstain in vote on staying in the EU single market
- Jeremy Corbyn suffered huge Commons revolt on call to stay in EU single market
- A total of 89 MPs defied orders to abstain on whether to keep EEA membership
- Some 74 voted in favour while 15 joined the Government to vote against the EEA
- Supporters say single market helps trade but critics point to free movement
that seems to reflect the polls on public opinion. 4 for a soft brexit against 1 for no deal brexit.
So you think China a trustworthy state, but the UK not, you think the Ukraine a trustworthy state, and Israel, Morocco, all more trustworthy than the Uk.
All of them ok with security sensitive material but the UK
Explain why you think the EU should trust China with sensitive security access?
Then explain what action the UK should take,
us being untrustworthy and not in the security sensitive club, if Putin crosses the border in Eastern Europe, is China going to step in and help, how about Israel, do any of those currently have troops deployed in Eastern Europe, do you think that we should remove our troops? If we decided to do that, and Putin invades the Ukraine, who will the Eastern Europe countries look to for support, clearly you think that it won’t be untrustworthy us.
I have read and re-read your piece in my quotes and I think you have got yourself tied up in knots.
Tom
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I think the point is, some in the UK thought we'd just stay in it. Which we clearly can't do. We have to leave, and then sort a new agreement based on our new 3rd country status, and no one knows how long that agreement will take to negotiate, do they. So for a period of time, there is a likelyhood that we'll be out. That isn't a controversial statement is it?
So you think China a trustworthy state, but the UK not, you think the Ukraine a trustworthy state, and Israel, Morocco, all more trustworthy than the Uk.
All of them ok with security sensitive material but the UK
Explain why you think the EU should trust China with sensitive security access?
Then explain what action the UK should take,
us being untrustworthy and not in the security sensitive club, if Putin crosses the border in Eastern Europe, is China going to step in and help, how about Israel, do any of those currently have troops deployed in Eastern Europe, do you think that we should remove our troops? If we decided to do that, and Putin invades the Ukraine, who will the Eastern Europe countries look to for support, clearly you think that it won’t be untrustworthy us.[/QUOTE]
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So you think China a trustworthy state, but the UK not, you think the Ukraine a trustworthy state, and Israel, Morocco, all more trustworthy than the Uk.
All of them ok with security sensitive material but the UK.
Apparently the government here do too, getting a communist government involved in Nuclear power here , what could be crazier than that?.
But since you ask, no I don't think that, but it isn't my choice or yours to make is it?
Thanks to a mad decison to leave the EU, what choices they make are actually not something we have any power over are they?
If Putin crosses the border into Eastern Europe do you think our brave service people will survive for more than five minutes against the Red Army?
What value do you put on the support we can offer anyway?
Make noises in the press?
Hilarious!
The Europeans hastened to support TM in the phoney Putin poisoning an ex agent scam lately didn't they?
And the answer to your question, what should we do?
Get back into the EU
no, leave the EU and join EFTA (EEA).
Common sense will prevail after the customs issue is sorted.
You really think they'll go for the free movement thing? Really? We're not in Schengen now, I can't see people bring happy with that move.
EFTA membership is like keyhole surgery. Maybe not as good as the traditional method but the healing process is much quicker.On the principle a Booby Prize is better than none?