Only if you have an offshore bank account that the EU have threatened to make you pay taxes on.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Cummings laments about the brexiteers (BJ, DD, Liam Fox), not brexit itself.
He reckons he handed his famous victory to the idiots who made a pigs ear of it.
Not quite true, as he expected radical changes to the economy, education, and the Parliamentary system would be needed as well.
None of these things had a snowflake in hell's chance of coming true.
Cummings is another case of a man who is a "legend in his own imagination"
a Fantasist where politics are concerned, to harbour such optimistic expectations, akin to expecting a Pot Bellied Pig to evolve into a Tiger.
Even more hilarious he expected it to happen in a single generation!
these things are his wishes, he is not naive in assuming that they are going to happen quickly. He relies on BJ and Gove to be his mouthpieces and in this, he was unlucky with BJ because BJ attracts ridicule.
If you add other noises from Farage, IDS and Frank Field, there is no simple way to keep brexit simple, easy to explain.
To make brexit work, the key is to manage divergence. Starting from where we are, fix the skill shortage first while staying in the SM.
I wonder what Tillson would make of the forum these days. It's been a while since he passed any comment in these pages.
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There is not and never will be a set of circumstances where Brexit will do more than disadvantage the poor to favour the rich.
Following the outbursts of wishful thinking from an egotisitical fantasist like Cumings merely proves the point that you can educate but not impart wisdom in the process, and fools will follow their every pronouncement as if it is a holy writ.
And the media can be relied upon to confuse the Public.
Never has so much effort been put in to play up imaginary advantages and play down real difficulties
A worse on going campaign than advertising Cigarettes, and just as damaging.
Hell, if Cummings had half a brain he wouldn't have trusted the buffoons he has, would he?
Brexit is easy to explain.
.Dumb idea.
Of if you prefer "Wishful thinking"
Or how about "A plot to protect offshore bank accounts from EU laws?"
Take your pick.
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That is a pretty good summary of the whole damned affair. It's the wet dream of a bunch of multi-millionaires.
Tom
I can understand why DD wants to quit. He is not going to win any prizes in the negotiations with the EU because the UK does not hold all the cards like some brexiteers like to boast.
If he does go, who do you think should replace him?
Amber Rudd or BJ?
If he does go, who do you think should replace him?
Amber Rudd or BJ?
Give it to Lord Nigel, time he did some more damage to his personal reputation and the leave cause!
From the Independent
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One of the key figures behind the main Brexit campaign has been ordered to appear before a Commons inquiry into the Facebook data row, in a rare show of parliamentary strength.
MPs ordered former Vote Leave chief Dominic Cummings to give evidence to the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee before June 20, in what is thought to be the first motion of its kind in parliament since 1920.
Mr Cummings, who is widely regarded as the brains behind Brexit, has repeatedly refused to appear before the committee to answer questions over the potential misuse of data during the referendum campaign.
He accused the committee of "grandstanding" when it sought to hold him in contempt of parliament, and said he would give evidence once a separate inquiry by the Electoral Commission had concluded.
Conservative MP Damian Collins, who chairs the committee, said: "We have a unique problem in requiring Dominic Cummings to come and give evidence to us and I do not believe, and the members of my committee do not believe, that that is an acceptable state of affairs.
Mr Cummings held a "very, very important position in this country during a very, very important campaign" and he should answer questions in parliament, Mr Collins added.
Hilary Benn, Labour chairman of the Brexit Committee, said: "This unfortunate case and the response of Mr Cummings reminds us of the need to ensure we end up with a system that doesn't allow the powerful and people who need to answer questions and be held to account for what they have done in the normal, courteous manner that almost all select committees operate under.
"We cannot allow that to happen because if we do, then we cannot do our job on behalf of the people who send us here."
"These are incredibly serious matters. There's a certain irony that someone who is the communications director of Vote Leave, who ran a successful campaign to seek to restore powers to parliament, seems to hold that institution himself in such contempt.
"His decision not to come, whatever he says, is one of his own making, it's a deliberate attempt to deny parliament its right to question witnesses on matters of importance."
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One of the key figures behind the main Brexit campaign has been ordered to appear before a Commons inquiry into the Facebook data row, in a rare show of parliamentary strength.
MPs ordered former Vote Leave chief Dominic Cummings to give evidence to the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee before June 20, in what is thought to be the first motion of its kind in parliament since 1920.
Mr Cummings, who is widely regarded as the brains behind Brexit, has repeatedly refused to appear before the committee to answer questions over the potential misuse of data during the referendum campaign.
He accused the committee of "grandstanding" when it sought to hold him in contempt of parliament, and said he would give evidence once a separate inquiry by the Electoral Commission had concluded.
Conservative MP Damian Collins, who chairs the committee, said: "We have a unique problem in requiring Dominic Cummings to come and give evidence to us and I do not believe, and the members of my committee do not believe, that that is an acceptable state of affairs.
Mr Cummings held a "very, very important position in this country during a very, very important campaign" and he should answer questions in parliament, Mr Collins added.
Hilary Benn, Labour chairman of the Brexit Committee, said: "This unfortunate case and the response of Mr Cummings reminds us of the need to ensure we end up with a system that doesn't allow the powerful and people who need to answer questions and be held to account for what they have done in the normal, courteous manner that almost all select committees operate under.
"We cannot allow that to happen because if we do, then we cannot do our job on behalf of the people who send us here."
"These are incredibly serious matters. There's a certain irony that someone who is the communications director of Vote Leave, who ran a successful campaign to seek to restore powers to parliament, seems to hold that institution himself in such contempt.
"His decision not to come, whatever he says, is one of his own making, it's a deliberate attempt to deny parliament its right to question witnesses on matters of importance."
it's a bit of a witch hunt.
He used technology to benefit his campaign which worked rather well.
You should read his remarks on the use of IT in electioneering and leave the matter of whether he has committed any crime to the police.
Who knows? They may even understand what was done, and there were definitely witches at work to hunt in this case
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Cummings developed the VICS to target ads more effectively. That software lets him track the progress and effectiveness of his ad spending and message contents. It's just a more intelligent use of resource. I do same with my google adwords and website traffic analyser. He may have overspent, or may not, who knows, it's the job for the police. He wasn't even the chief liar. That job went to Gove and Johnson. The fact remains that his messages were effective and the campaign well run. If he happens to be a later days Jedi and converted a few suggestible people then all is fair in love and war.
So he has been ordered but decided not to come, doesn’t he have to come, or does ordered mean something different?
I have seen these kinds of enquiries show boating at the expense of the person attending, most of the time for the members or media benefit, and to the pain of the person attending, even if the summoned person did wrong, I can’t see why anyone would go voluntarily, it’s like volunteering to go to the head master for a severe ticking off, even if you think you have done nothing wrong.
In my book, a parliament which does not have the power to summon almost anyone and impose sanctions (which could include fines, imprisonment, loss of citizenship, and others) is hardly likely to be recognised as sovereign, is it?
(Of course, there can be arguments about summoning members of the judiciary and others for whom constitutional issues could be raised.)
If you, I, or cummings raise two fingers to parliament, we are annointing ourselves as being above the will of parliament. Which rather gets us back to the arguments about the UK regaining full sovereignty, and why brexit, does it not?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/contempt-witnesses-select-committees
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And the way the data was obtained by questionable means and used to influence people by isolating and exploting their preferences and vulnerabilities, without their knowledge and permission by feeding them lies is all fair in love and war?
Sorry, not in a million years...
Having read that link, it appears that parliament is reluctant to use powers, it used to have in the past, in case it’s found out that they don’t have the power anymore, it may breach the ECHR
Hoisted by their own petard springs to mind.
we don't know if Cummings has access to the data itself or like me, I have only specified the criteria and google show my ad to the people who fit the profile. It can be quite different from the legal work done for UKIP by Aggregate IQ. There, the data was owned by UKIP. Whether Aggregate IQ uses the UKIP data for Cummings contract is up to the police to find out.