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oldgroaner

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Having read that link, it appears that parliament is reluctant to use powers, it used to have in the past, in case it’s found out that they don’t have the power anymore, it may breach the ECHR

Hoisted by their own petard springs to mind.
You are speculating there, that's the sort of Urban Myth we hear a lot of these days, as by that logic the police wouldn't have the power to arrest anyone or pull them in for questioning.
 
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we don't know if Cummings has access to the data itself or like me, I have only specified the criteria and google show my ad to the people who fit the profile. It can be quite different from the legal work done for UKIP by Aggregate IQ. There, the data was owned by UKIP. Whether Aggregate IQ uses the UKIP data for Cummings contract is up to the police to find out.
And Parliament to question
 

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And Parliament to question
MPs put their questions under privilege. They can't be trusted to be impartial because of tribalism.
It's the job for the police.
 

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principle of separation of powers, since Aristotle OG.
But why would the police be investigating something that needed Parliament to bring to their attention and they may not be aware of?
Parliament must have the right to question the Public at the very least.
 
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You are speculating there, that's the sort of Urban Myth we hear a lot of these days, as by that logic the police wouldn't have the power to arrest anyone or pull them in for questioning.
No I am not speculating, just repeating what it said in the link, they may be speculating, but you posted the link, not me

The police and parliament are completely different, and work under different legislation, if he’s broken the law, then he should be taken to task, by the courts,
 
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But why would the police be investigating something that needed Parliament to bring to their attention and they may not be aware of?
Parliament must have the right to question the Public at the very least.
Parliament invites witnesses and compels politicians to appear. The police investigate possible crimes and arrest suspects. overspending attracts fines, not prison. Stealing data from UKIP is something else.
 
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But why would the police be investigating something that needed Parliament to bring to their attention and they may not be aware of?
Parliament must have the right to question the Public at the very least.
Was it parliament that brought it to the police’ attention, or the electoral commission, anyhow it matters not, anyone can bring it to the police’s attention, parliament has to work within the law, they are not above the law.

Didn’t Mr Zuckerburg refuse to attend a couple of months ago?
 
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So he has been ordered but decided not to come, doesn’t he have to come, or does ordered mean something different?

I have seen these kinds of enquiries show boating at the expense of the person attending, most of the time for the members or media benefit, and to the pain of the person attending, even if the summoned person did wrong, I can’t see why anyone would go voluntarily, it’s like volunteering to go to the head master for a severe ticking off, even if you think you have done nothing wrong.
I don't think he has to go... Its a strong request he attends.Its already considered a ticking off but as someone else has stated, if he has actually broken the law... Its a criminal matter.
 

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Just how does our country improve by going through a brexit meltdown?
BJ was acknowledging the fact that support for brexit is going from bad to worse and may even melt. It is inevitable that the brexit we are going to get is not the brexit he wants which is a Trumpist brexit: toss everything up in the air and see how they fall.
Such a cavalier attitude. We are lucky that he is where he is.
BJ is an embarrassment to brexit and the conservatives, maybe his luck will soon run out and he'd be gone from the TV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44407771

According to Buzzfeed, he said that the prime minister was "going to go into a phase where we are much more combative with Brussels".

He reportedly added: "You've got to face the fact there may now be a meltdown. OK? I don't want anybody to panic during the meltdown. No panic. Pro bono publico, no bloody panic. It's going to be all right in the end."

Brexit will be "irreversible" and will happen, Mr Johnson said, but the "risk is that it will not be the one we want".

He added: "Unless you make the change, unless you have the guts to go for the independent policy, you're never going to get the economic benefits of Brexit. You'll never get the political benefits of Brexit."
 
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BJ was acknowledging the fact that support for brexit is going from bad to worse and may even melt. It is inevitable that the brexit we are going to get is not the brexit he wants which is a Trumpist brexit: toss everything up in the air and see how they fall.
Such a cavalier attitude. We are lucky that he is where he is.
BJ is an embarrassment to brexit and the conservatives, maybe his luck will soon run out and he'd be gone from the TV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44407771

According to Buzzfeed, he said that the prime minister was "going to go into a phase where we are much more combative with Brussels".

He reportedly added: "You've got to face the fact there may now be a meltdown. OK? I don't want anybody to panic during the meltdown. No panic. Pro bono publico, no bloody panic. It's going to be all right in the end."

Brexit will be "irreversible" and will happen, Mr Johnson said, but the "risk is that it will not be the one we want".

He added: "Unless you make the change, unless you have the guts to go for the independent policy, you're never going to get the economic benefits of Brexit. You'll never get the political benefits of Brexit."
Political benefits of Brexit?
Definitely, provided you have an offshore Bank account, otherwise forget it.
As to an Independent Policy, they haven't even planned the withdrawal from the EU, their previous Policies have been little short of ruinous, and industry is half Foreign owned.

None of the Political Parties in Westminster are capable of handling the situation we will find ourselves out of the EU, when all they can do is jockey for power as they do now.
 
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I think the UK (and Trump) are stirring a barrel of **** and hoping gold will float to the surface. News flash! Gold is heavier than ****...
 

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I think the UK (and Trump) are stirring a barrel of **** and hoping gold will float to the surface. News flash! Gold is heavier than ****...
DT and BJ are not doing the gold panning themselves. They'll just wait for someone else to do the work and rip them off.
 

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I wonder when we will hear the wonderful plans that will make this country of ours into a Global Success story?

Costed of course and with guarantees that people will all be better off and not lose on any rights, holidays or benefits, with the NHS properly funded and paid the £350 million a week as promised?

Surely such plans have been long completed, and agreements for all Foreign businesses to continue working here.
What Government would otherwise continue with Brexit? they must have absolute confidence it will be a huge success and make them popular with the voters, otherwise they are committing political suicide.

Is it worth holding your breath in anticipation for the glorious future path to be revealed?

"The Will of the People" expects no less!

In the Golden words of Rupert Murdoch
"If promises are not delivered on: there will be trouble!"
 
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I don't agree with much BJ says but I do understand his frustration at moment. The dithering over any decision is often the route to danger. Pulling half in, half out at road junctions is more dangerous than going for gap or staying put. We either pull out...the whole lot or we stay. I thought we, d made decision but somehow hand brake keeps getting stuck on.Too many people driving perhaps. Who is driving car anyway???
Seems we, ve got a coach load of back seat drivers and a noisy wife/husband in passenger seat, no map or Sat Nav and little idea where we are going. We should have sorted route out before we set off, kicked all passengers out, told partner where we were going and got on with journey. At present wAe are circling first roundabout in a complete and utter mess.
And Labour instead of offering something most of passengers want are fighting in a heap on back seat shouting abuse at each other and who ever cares to listen.
The whole nation is sick of it. The lot of them.
 
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I don't agree with much BJ says but I do understand his frustration at moment. The dithering over any decision is often the route to danger. Pulling half in, half out at road junctions is more dangerous than going for gap or staying put. We either pull out...the whole lot or we stay. I thought we, d made decision but somehow hand brake keeps getting stuck on.Too many people driving perhaps. Who is driving car anyway???
Seems we, ve got a coach load of back seat drivers and a noisy wife/husband in passenger seat, no map or Sat Nav and little idea where we are going. We should have sorted route out before we set off, kicked all passengers out, told partner where we were going and got on with journey. At present wAe are circling first roundabout in a complete and utter mess.
And Labour instead of offering something most of passengers want are fighting in a heap on back seat shouting abuse at each other and who ever cares to listen.
The whole nation is sick of it. The lot of them.
Actually it doesn't matter what decisions are made here does it?
The EU will decide, not us. They must be enjoying the Slapstick Farce.
Most of what we think we have, like car production, will in fact move to them if they wait, after all.

The cause of the problem?
The Brexit logic being employed is the one Spike Milligan sarcastically touted
"We haven't got a plan so nothing can go wrong.!"
 
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I really do not understand how a party leader can stand by and take no action when a member of the Cabinet is patently following his own agenda and pontificating to those who will listen in a manner which undermines the leader.

Johnson is a loose cannon and each reported outpouring from him is sheer obfuscation designed purely in the hope that he may transfer his self-importance to a wider audience, rather than to express any valid prognosis for the derailed 'Brexit' train.

These words from Johnson illustrate perfectly what a bad idea Care in the Community is as a replacement for so many dedicated hospitals:

He also said he was "increasingly admiring of Donald Trump", who is preparing for an historic summit with North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un.
Mr Johnson was reported to have said: "I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness."
"Imagine Trump doing Brexit," he added.
"He'd go in bloody hard... There'd be all sorts of breakdowns, all sorts of chaos. Everyone would think he'd gone mad. But actually you might get somewhere.
"It's a very, very good thought."


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no map or Sat Nav and little idea where we are going.
we are going to the seaside / on holiday.
it was nice but we have to go home after that.
 
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