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oldtom

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This, apparently, was yesterday's news but I must have missed it;

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44310224

The more we read and hear about the prospects for any kind of 'Brexit', the more it looks like the best solution is simply to abandon the mission and try to play a full role in the EU.

Not only can I not see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, I can't see any bloody rainbow!:)

Tom
 
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In the Express this morning
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We need to LEAVE the customs union to honour the Brexit vote, says JACOB REES-MOGG
We have sent man to the moon, the bottom of the ocean, survived war, plague and the creation of the internet yet there are those who tell us that leaving the European Union’s customs union is a problem that makes solving Fermat’s Last Theorem look like a doddle.

Why is it that no one points out to this character that the leave campaigners all actually made a big point that there would be no question of us leaving either the Single Market and the Customs Union?
How has that become the very opposite of what they promised and the Brexit Voters assumed would happen?

Where is your mandate to leave either Moggy?

How is cheating on a promise made during the leave campaign honouring the Brexit Vote?
Why are you lying because that is what you personally want?
 
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From the Daily Mail
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David Davis draws up a 10 mile-wide buffer zone along the Irish border to give Ulster joint EU and UK status in a bid to break the deadlock in Brexit talks
  • David Davis has drawn up a bold new plan to break the Brexit deadlock
  • The Brexit Secretary wants to hand Northern Ireland joint EU and UK status
  • He is hoping the province can operate under both European and British regulations so it can trade freely with both

Sort of a "Demilitarised Zone"?
Don't give up your day job, Davis....oh you did...
 
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oldgroaner said:
He is hoping the province can operate under both European and British regulations so it can trade freely with both
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Wasn't reduced red tape one of the aims of Brexit? (Of course, it is always the aim of so many - especially certain parts of the political spectrum - who then discover that achieving it is difficult to impossible.)

Doesn't abiding by two sets of regulations necessarily make it massively more complicated?

Why should we consign a part of the population to live and work under a "foreign" government (which the EU will become)? Morally and ethically repugnant.
 
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As we bumble towards 'Brexit' disaster and with a media no longer reporting on the progress of the matter, filling their front pages or air time with fluff to divert attention away from it, some serious issues have occurred.

It seems, according to British media, that Brigitte Nielsen's pregnancy and Roseanne Barr's stupidity are worthy of far more coverage than the serious breaches of the law committed by the tory government.

This tale is about the party of government leading us into the shambles that 'Brexit' has now become and their contempt for the law of the land. The High Court has judged that the government and its DWP have been flagrantly ignoring the rights of British citizens, not just in a few cases, but hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions. It is hugely important before we find ourselves outside the EU and its ECJ that people understand the lengths this tory party is prepared to go in order to destroy workers' rights and people's basic human rights. They have been stopped on this occasion but in the future.......a few new appointments to the judiciary and who knows?

Fortunately, there are some people outside of government who are watching on behalf of the ordinary people:

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'The Canary' carries the story:

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oldtom said:
As we bumble towards 'Brexit' disaster and with a media no longer reporting on the progress of the matter
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Clearly, there is no need to rush into brexit.
Voters have until the next GE to finally decide on the next step.
TM wants to kick the can down the road, pretending to negotiate but there is really nothing to negotiate. Hard brexit is prohibitively expensive for the current conservative government to seriously consider. Soft brexit will split the tories vote in halves, making JC the next PM.
The only way for the conservatives to hold on to power is to pretend they are working on a solution but their only hope is to extend the transition beyond 2022 to give them a chance at the next GE.
 
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from Heinz-Christian Strache, Vice Chancellor of Austria:

"We must discuss openly that it is not good for European development to strip away the entire intellectual, well-trained potential of eastern Europe for western Europe.
If I see that this on one hand isn't beneficial for eastern European countries, but on the other hand also leads to a displacement process here... then those are areas where we should discuss whether this is a smart rule, or whether we shouldn't consider at least in part finding adjustments to do this better in everyone's interest."

IMHO, the problem is not those EU citizens who live and work here. It's those that have not yet got a job that cause the problem. If you stop the job seekers moving in before having a work contract, the problem will go away.
The EU needs to reform FOM as soon as possible. While retaining the principle that citizens of Europe should be able to live and work anywhere, it must allow members to set their own policy on immigration.
 
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Woosh said:
If you stop the job seekers moving in before having a work contract, the problem will go away.
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That would mean after we leave the EU, Irish Travellers would no longer be able to come here since they never have fixed contract jobs.

I can just imagine the ructions! :D
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I think you meant 'celebrations' instead of 'ructions' ;)
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I was being tactful. :)

Seriously there could be some real problems, not least because many own residential property here as well as Eire that they live in for periods.
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oldgroaner

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oldtom said:
Nigel Farage - remember him? Here is a lovely little video clip which shows just what a second-hand car salesman mentality exists inside his tory head:



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Tom, for some reason I dont see a video clip and the forum is jumping up and down, maybe it doesn't like Lord Nigel?
Can you possibly delete that post, there will be a double bonus of not seeing his face and restoring order.
I had to edit my reply on my phone as my windows laptop made it almost as difficult to edit a post as get the truth out of a Tory politician
 
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Bad News for the Tory party Coffers
From the Daily Mail
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Flight of the oligarchs: Hundreds more millionaire Russians could leave Britain in wake of visa chaos as ex-minister calls Government's handling of Abramovich 'hamfisted and clumsy'

And on the day TM an Boris blamed Putin for the Salisbury attack
from the Daily Mirror
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Tories take Putin's pal £50,000... on the day Theresa May blamed Russia for Skripal poisoning"
And Lubov Chernukhin gave a further £50,000 to the Conservatives as police investigated the assassination attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia – bringing the total donated in the two weeks after the poisoning to £100,000.

And UK voters seriously imagine tthe Tory party represents them, when it is funded by the Russians?
And comically they Branded Corbyn a "useful idiot" for Putin?

Lubov’s husband Vladimir is Putin’s former deputy finance minister.

Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable branded the payment “sheer hypocrisy”.

He said: “The Conservatives should have returned the money straightaway.

The very least they can do is return this now.”
It comes after we revealed two Tory peers – Lord Hague and Lord Barker – are both earning thousands of pounds a year from firms slammed by MPs over links to the Kremlin.
 
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oldgroaner said:
And UK voters seriously imagine tthe Tory party represents them, when it is funded by the Russians?
And comically they Branded Corbyn a "useful idiot" for Putin?
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the wider problem is direct investments into the UK have dried up since the referendum. The simple truth is we don't produce enough to have a healthy trade balance and with an ageing population, it can only get worse.
Time to wake up if anyone thinks we are still a rich country.
 
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