Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

But Flecc, fake news isn't usually aimed at anyone with any intelligence, they know their audience all too well to bother doing that, then repeat it ad nauseum till it takes on the appearance of established fact.

Indeed. BBC Newsnight last night once again carried an item on the Skripal incident, interviewing Salisbury hospital staff, again trying to reinforce the story. It was rather pathetic with them giving no information of value and a poorly briefed and somewhat embarrassed reporter being interviewed by Kirsty Wark afterwards. I had the impression it was a put up job, rather than one of any current news value.
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[oldtom]

Well, it seems the liar-in-chief, heading up the programme to deliver 'Brexit, has recently found herself stuck between a rock and hard place of her own making.

Someone produced this which illustrates May's dichotomy:


Tom

 

[Woosh]

interesting remark from a DT reader today:

"With a good percentage of UK nationals getting Irish, Spanish, French, German and other EU passports and EU nationals here getting UK passports , there will be two types of UK citizens, those with freedom of movement and those without."

 

[oyster]

Journalists don't sit down and think, 'I'm now going to speak for the establishment.' Of course not.

My first reaction to most stories now is to ask, Cui bono? ("to whom is it a benefit?")

I agree journalists don't think that they will now speak for the establishment. All too often, they fail to think. Story after story is barely re-hash, more a simple copy and paste, of press releases or other verbiage. With an "anything for an easy life" attitude, grabbing anything that comes their way, not researching, not understanding, but managing to churn stuff out for deadlines.

Not all the blame can be put on journalists. Who are the people who buy some of the dreadful rags? The ones who seem attracted by crass headlines, celeb stories, dare I say, sport? Without customers, they wouldn't be producing quite such garbage. Of course, lots buy and scoff at what they read, or just read a tiny bit they actually like.

(I keep finding myself reading all sorts of crap - and wondering why I fell for it. In my view, there is no doubt there is wholesale manipulation. I detest with an absolute vengeance the little linked stories that appear everywhere. The ones that offer some little secret or the cheapest ever way to do something.)

 

[oldgroaner]

My first reaction to most stories now is to ask, Cui bono? ("to whom is it a benefit?")

I agree journalists don't think that they will now speak for the establishment. All too often, they fail to think. Story after story is barely re-hash, more a simple copy and paste, of press releases or other verbiage. With an "anything for an easy life" attitude, grabbing anything that comes their way, not researching, not understanding, but managing to churn stuff out for deadlines.

Not all the blame can be put on journalists. Who are the people who buy some of the dreadful rags? The ones who seem attracted by crass headlines, celeb stories, dare I say, sport? Without customers, they wouldn't be producing quite such garbage. Of course, lots buy and scoff at what they read, or just read a tiny bit they actually like.

(I keep finding myself reading all sorts of crap - and wondering why I fell for it. In my view, there is no doubt there is wholesale manipulation. I detest with an absolute vengeance the little linked stories that appear everywhere. The ones that offer some little secret or the cheapest ever way to do something.)

The supreme irony of our times is that when Cameron wanted to defend membership of the EU, the Generations long anti EU rhetoric and propaganda that he and the rest of the Westminster Flying Circus had used to cover their wrongdoings undermined his position in the Public Eye
For how could he defend membership of an organisation the had been vilified for so many years?

 

[Woosh]

For how could he defend membership of an organisation the had been vilified for so many years?

the only people who can judge accurately the cost/benefit of all things that we take for granted as member of the EU are the experts. Ordinary people can see the cost but can't calculate the benefit. Cameron is like our politicians (the vast majority of them are not experts in anything through education or career), he is quick to complain about the cost but not good at defending the benefit.
Michael Gove saw that and scored a straight goal. 'I ask the people to trust themselves'.

 

[oldgroaner]

the only people who can judge accurately the cost/benefit of all things that we take for granted as member of the EU are the experts. Ordinary people can see the cost but can't calculate the benefit. Cameron is like our politicians (the vast majority of them are not experts in anything through education or career), he is quick to complain about the cost but not good at defending the benefit.
Michael Gove saw that and scored a straight goal. 'I ask the people to trust themselves'.

Gollum said.

"'I ask the people to trust themselves'."

From someone who had no idea of the seriousness of the situation
Along the lines of the Goon Show Villain with the smooth voice of George Sanders

"Have this photograph of a Shilling lad,
and there's more where that came from"

Gritpipe Thynne.

 

[oldgroaner]

Comedy in the Express
"UK BITES BACK: Theresa May orders EU to ditch 'soundbites and anonymous briefings'"

Orders?

 

[oyster]

Comedy in the Express
"UK BITES BACK: Theresa May orders EU to ditch 'soundbites and anonymous briefings'"

Orders?

Resonates like last orders in a pub full of thirsty people. Oh yes - we have refused the lock-in.

 

[oldgroaner]

Thought for the Day...
A reader comment in The Daily Mail

Imogen, Truro, United Kingdom, 7 hours ago

There was a dead man in Ukraine / With bullets lodged deep in his brain / They said it was Vlad / But the acting was bad / And the people all called it insane.

This is fun, I'll have a go...

When he first heard the news
Boris didn't check it was true
And his big mouth blamed Putin again

I know...don't give up your day job, etc.,etc

 

[oldgroaner]

The Conservatives are promoting a new coin celebrating Brexit

Or has it arrived already? some are for sale on Ebay!
Will it be the ring or the middle bit they choose?

 

[Woosh]

Just what I wanted for my next pedal sensor!

 

[oldgroaner]

Just what I wanted for my next pedal sensor!

Somehow Coins that fall to pieces seem appropriate in connection with Brexit as they are
"Failed Change commemorating a failed change"

 

[Danidl]

Somehow Coins that fall to pieces seem appropriate in connection with Brexit as they are
"Failed Change commemorating a failed change"

Should the last phrase not have been a change to fail. ?

 

[Woosh]

Should the last phrase not have been a change to fail. ?

a soft brexit is not cheap but certainly not a failure.

 

[oldgroaner]

a soft brexit is not cheap but certainly not a failure.

Not in my view, any kind of Brexit is a disaster

 

[oldgroaner]

Should the last phrase not have been a change to fail. ?

I was using the past tense....

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
The EU has just passed a law that could end the problems with free movement which led to Brexit in the first place
Corporations will no longer be able to undercut local workers by exploiting migrants.

Looking beyond Brexit, this law will make a big difference regardless of the option chosen for our future relationship with the EU. We can chose to stay in the EU single market with the added reassurance that some of its flaws with respect to the free movement of people have now been fixed.

But even if we leave the single market and have to rely on a simple trade deal, some EU workers will continue to be able to come to the UK on a temporary basis because this is a standard feature of all recent EU trade deals. Under this scenario too, enforcing the principle of equal pay for equal work in the same workplace can only benefit everyone

So the EU cannot change, eh? it just did.
What remains that makes Brexit have any attraction for the man and woman in the street?

Time to end this Brexit farce!

 

[Woosh]

Under this scenario too, enforcing the principle of equal pay for equal work in the same workplace can only benefit everyone

there are already laws for this. The problem is the temp agencies that are based in a low wage country. Take the lorry drivers who deliver my containers as an example. Most of them are Eastern Europeans, working here but paid by their agencies at home.

 

[oldtom]

Time to end this Brexit farce!

I'd rather be a part of Europe within the EU with all the benefits therein. So, it would seem, would this chap!

nigel-lawson-brexit-french-residency-vote-leave

Tom