Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

The Cabinet of multi-millionaires, currently chewing over whether they can get away with going to war without parliamentary approval, is full of liars and cheats, not the least of whom is the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt.

Recently, it has emerged that the important matter of disclosure slipped his mind, a perfectly understandable error for a busy man doing such an important, high-powered job while seeking to multiply his personal wealth through property deals, his day job sometimes getting in the way.

Some might say, 'Well, we've heard this sort of thing before - they're all at it, fiddling their expenses and the like.', but there is a bit more to it than that and it's important to note that Hunt has so far escaped any kind of punishment or censure for his forgetfulness.

When people, indeed a whole group of people, in possession of enormous wealth are making decisions such as in the 'Brexit' matter and about engaging in war when our country is under no threat whatsoever, while ignoring very important rules under which MPs are obliged to operate, then the public should be concerned. They need to be concerned because if Hunt is not punished for his offence, it opens the door to a host of other people in the world of both business and politics to wilfully disregard the rules or indeed laws that apply.

It is about a whole lot more than simple forgetfulness:




Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
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Syria chemical attack: Jeremy Corbyn accuses Theresa May of 'waiting for instructions' from Donald Trump
Mr Corbyn also called for an independent UN-led inquiry into the devastating air strike in Douma last Saturday that killed a reported 75 civilians and injured 500 more, presumed to have been carried out by the Bashar al-Assad regime.

"Further UK military intervention in Syria's appalling multi-sided war risks escalating an already devastating conflict," he said.
"The government appears to be waiting for instructions from President Donald Trump on how to proceed. But the US administration is giving alarmingly contradictory signals.

"Even US defence secretary James Mattis has said we 'don't have evidence' and warned further military action could 'escalate out of control'."
Rather than looking to Washington for leadership, Mr Corbyn urged the government to have the courage of its convictions and press for a non-partisan investigation into the atrocity.

"Ministers should take their proposals, such as they are, to parliament. And Britain should press for an independent UN-led investigation of last weekend's horrific chemical weapons attack so that those responsible can be held to account," he said.

"Rather than further military action, what is urgently needed is a coordinated international drive to achieve a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement under UN auspices. The humanitarian priority must be to halt the killing on all sides.

It's no Good Jeremy they won't listen

 

[tillson]

The Cabinet of multi-millionaires, currently chewing over whether they can get away with going to war without parliamentary approval, is full of liars and cheats, not the least of whom is the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt.

Recently, it has emerged that the important matter of disclosure slipped his mind, a perfectly understandable error for a busy man doing such an important, high-powered job while seeking to multiply his personal wealth through property deals, his day job sometimes getting in the way.

Some might say, 'Well, we've heard this sort of thing before - they're all at it, fiddling their expenses and the like.', but there is a bit more to it than that and it's important to note that Hunt has so far escaped any kind of punishment or censure for his forgetfulness.

When people, indeed a whole group of people, in possession of enormous wealth are making decisions such as in the 'Brexit' matter and about engaging in war when our country is under no threat whatsoever, while ignoring very important rules under which MPs are obliged to operate, then the public should be concerned. They need to be concerned because if Hunt is not punished for his offence, it opens the door to a host of other people in the world of both business and politics to wilfully disregard the rules or indeed laws that apply.

It is about a whole lot more than simple forgetfulness:

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Tom

So this, “forgetful” man who through his own admission can’t administer his business affairs to a satisfactory standard is considered to be a fit and proper person to make decisions regarding whether this country should attack another nation?

How much more incompetence does this government think it can get away with?

 

[oldgroaner]

So this, “forgetful” man who through his own admission can’t administer his business affairs to a satisfactory standard is considered to be a fit and proper person to make decisions regarding whether this country should attack another nation?

How much more incompetence does this government think it can get away with?

Not incompetent, much worse than that!
Untrustworthy

 

[oldgroaner]

Food for thought in the Independent
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As Theresa May gears up for war in Syria, we should remember what hypocrites we are about chemical warfare in the Middle East
Not a soul today is mentioning the terrible war fought between 1980 and 1988, which was fought with our total acquiescence. It's almost an 'exclusive' to mention the conflict at all, so religiously have we forgotten it

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-syria-war-uk-chemical-weapons-attack-iran-iraq-thatcher-russia-a8300881.html

As someone we know might observe
"That was then, this is now...ha ha ha!"

 

[flecc]

It is about a whole lot more than simple forgetfulness

Far from forgetfulness, that looks quite deliberate, the money from him but the wife alone named as the purchasing interest.

Caught out he should go.
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[tillson]

Far from forgetfulness, that looks quite deliberate, the money from him but the wife alone named as the purchasing interest.

Caught out he should go.
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But he won’t go, they never do.

 

[Woosh]

It's no Good Jeremy they won't listen

If we bomb Syria, TM and the tories will go against the general consensus (4 out of 5 are against escataling the war in Syria) and appear to be a bunch of hypocrites and to do as Mr Trump tells them to.
JC will come out gaining votes. If I were JC, I'll take the weekend off.

 

[tillson]

Meanwhile, does anyone know how she is getting along with Brexit? Or is it that current events are having the desired affect?

 

[flecc]

Meanwhile, does anyone know how she is getting along with Brexit? Or is it that current events are having the desired affect?

Yes, Syria is now a very convenient escape from the self imposed embarrassments of the Salisbury poisoning and Brexit subjects.
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[Woosh]

Meanwhile, does anyone know how she is getting along with Brexit? Or is it that current events are having the desired affect?

TM is doing fine on brexit. The Pound rose steadily for the last few days, back to pre-brexit level, touching $1.43 this morning.
Brexit negotiation turns out to be a non-event or at least non-eventful at the moment. Apparently, we have until 2020 to extend the transition further.

 

[flecc]

Apparently, we have until 2020 to extend the transition further.

To 2120?
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[Woosh]

To 2120?
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the EU seems to like the idea that after 2020, we can continue like we are doing at the moment as long as we want.
As we can't get a better trade deal, inertia will keep us in 'transition' a while longer, possibly until the next referendum.

 

[flecc]

the EU seems to like the idea that after 2020, we can continue like we are doing at the moment as long as we want.
As we can't get a better trade deal, inertia will keep us in 'transition' a while longer, possibly until the next referendum.

That's what I was alluding to. It will be interesting to see how many Brexiters are committed enough to kick up a fuss.
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[Woosh]

That's what I was alluding to. It will be interesting to see how many Brexiters are committed enough to kick up a fuss.
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I guess only the hard brexiters will protest.
Ordinary brexiters and soft brexiters are happy that we are notionally out by 30th March. Honnor is safe, the rest is not important, especially the transition period does not cost anything extra.

 

[Danidl]

Food for thought in the Independent
"
As Theresa May gears up for war in Syria, we should remember what hypocrites we are about chemical warfare in the Middle East
Not a soul today is mentioning the terrible war fought between 1980 and 1988, which was fought with our total acquiescence. It's almost an 'exclusive' to mention the conflict at all, so religiously have we forgotten it

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-syria-war-uk-chemical-weapons-attack-iran-iraq-thatcher-russia-a8300881.html

As someone we know might observe
"That was then, this is now...ha ha ha!"

Robert Fisk is a man of integrity...

 

[flecc]

Robert Fisk is a man of integrity...

Indeed, I often remind that the RAF's first mission post WW1 was to bomb the Kurds with mustard gas in 1922. That was to deal with their demonstrations when we refused to represent them in talks about dividing up the region.

When Saddam Hussein, an army officer who had studied British military history in his region, had trouble with the Kurds, he knew what to do and did it, copy the British.

Of course only the latter action was used in our propaganda about Saddam and Iraq.
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[Danidl]

The Cabinet of multi-millionaires, currently chewing over whether they can get away with going to war without parliamentary approval, is full of liars and cheats, not the least of whom is the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt.

Recently, it has emerged that the important matter of disclosure slipped his mind, a perfectly understandable error for a busy man doing such an important, high-powered job while seeking to multiply his personal wealth through property deals, his day job sometimes getting in the way.

Some might say, 'Well, we've heard this sort of thing before - they're all at it, fiddling their expenses and the like.', but there is a bit more to it than that and it's important to note that Hunt has so far escaped any kind of punishment or censure for his forgetfulness.

When people, indeed a whole group of people, in possession of enormous wealth are making decisions such as in the 'Brexit' matter and about engaging in war when our country is under no threat whatsoever, while ignoring very important rules under which MPs are obliged to operate, then the public should be concerned. They need to be concerned because if Hunt is not punished for his offence, it opens the door to a host of other people in the world of both business and politics to wilfully disregard the rules or indeed laws that apply.

It is about a whole lot more than simple forgetfulness:

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Tom

Is there not a crown prosecution service and a police service required by statute law and oath to bring such cases to court? . That a company director or indeed a cabinet minister apologises is not sufficient when there is a breach in the law.
My understanding of the seperatios of powers is that such a step is mandatory.

 

[flecc]

Is there not a crown prosecution service and a police service required by statute law and oath to bring such cases to court? . That a company director or indeed a cabinet minister apologises is not sufficient when there is a breach in the law.
My understanding of the seperatios of powers is that such a step is mandatory.

I'm not so sure of your last sentence. The police do have discretion and often use it, both not to act or to issue a warning either verbally or by post.
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[tillson]

I'm not so sure of your last sentence. The police do have discretion and often use it, both not to act or to issue a warning either verbally or by post.
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I thought that police only had discretion over summary matters and low level crime such as low value theft, minor criminal damage and minor assault etc.They are duty bound to investigate if they suspect that an offence has taken place and to gather evidence. The CPS then decide when and if charges are brought.

Once charges are brought against an MP, it usually follows that the government then punishes the police service for having the audacity to hold an MP to account.