Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

TM imagines she is doing exactly what you describe and the results are unacceptable.

TM a dictator?
Perhaps in her sweetest dreams...

 

[flecc]

No thank you very much, TM imagines she is doing exactly what you describe and the results are unacceptable.

Dictators have always been disastrous, even though they usually show a short term profit of a sort that seems attractive to the external observer.

It always ends in tears.

Not always. Marshall Tito was the best thing for the Balkans, very much better than what followed with democracy.
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[oyster]

Marshall Tito was the best thing for the Balkans, very much better than what followed with democracy.

It is arguable that if real feelings are suppressed (e.g. Tito forcing everyone to pretend to be good Yugoslavian citizens), then it has a pressure cooker effect which builds up over the years. Thus, when the suppression is loosened, or lost altogether, everything goes bad.

 

[oldgroaner]

It is arguable that if real feelings are suppressed (e.g. Tito forcing everyone to pretend to be good Yugoslavian citizens), then it has a pressure cooker effect which builds up over the years. Thus, when the suppression is loosened, or lost altogether, everything goes bad.

There really isn't a shining example is there? Dictatorship simply doesn't work without causing people to suffer,often catastrophically, for the sake of one person's Ego.

 

[flecc]

There really isn't a shining example is there? Dictatorship simply doesn't work without causing people to suffer,often catastrophically, for the sake of one person's Ego.

Not so, Tito didn't cause people to suffer at all. He gave them a calm orderly civilised society. He should perhaps have set up an order of succession, but that would have meant a continued dictatorship.
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[oldgroaner]

Not so, Tito didn't cause people to suffer at all. He gave them a calm orderly civilised society. He should perhaps have set up an order of succession, but that would have meant a continued dictatorship.
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There appear to be alternative views on the man viz
"By 1937 Tito was increasingly involved in the CPY’s underground work in Yugoslavia, where he established ties with a new generation of militants. In 1937–38, Joseph Stalin’s purges devastated the CPY leadership, claiming the lives of Gorkić and most of the other topmost veterans. Tito profited from (and probably was an accomplice in) the repression, gaining the Comintern’s mandate to replenish the CPY’s leadership councils with his hand-picked lieutenants—Edvard Kardelj, Alexander Ranković, Milovan Djilas, and Ivo Lola Ribar.

I remain Deeply impressed, unfavourably.
The Principle however is what is under discussion, and frankly there is no way i would buy into a Dictatorship being a good idea, not even it it was me!!!

 

[flecc]

then it has a pressure cooker effect which builds up over the years. Thus, when the suppression is loosened, or lost altogether, everything goes bad.

The pressure cooker effect arose initially from the stupidity of what we did in 1922 and it would always have come out sometime without a control to prevent it for a long enough time.

Marshall Tito was in no way to blame for it.
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[flecc]

There appear to be alternative views on the man viz
"By 1937 Tito was increasingly involved in the CPY’s underground work in Yugoslavia, where he established ties with a new generation of militants. In 1937–38, Joseph Stalin’s purges devastated the CPY leadership, claiming the lives of Gorkić and most of the other topmost veterans. Tito profited from (and probably was an accomplice in) the repression, gaining the Comintern’s mandate to replenish the CPY’s leadership councils with his hand-picked lieutenants—Edvard Kardelj, Alexander Ranković, Milovan Djilas, and Ivo Lola Ribar.

I remain Deeply impressed, unfavourably

I was posting only about the post WW2 era rule by Tito. That was successful by any judgement, earning the friendship of most western nations.
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[oyster]

I was posting only about the post WW2 era rule by Tito. That was successful by any judgement, earning the friendship of most western nations.
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Which does not mean that there were not large numbers of people within Yugoslavia who felt suppressed. See, for example, Croatian Spring.

 

[oldgroaner]

the Guardian this morning
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Janet Daley
Putin and Trump have united the UK and EU – and put May streets ahead of Corbyn

Really? effective smokescreen then, wasn't it?
But really they needn't have bothered ,as his remarking "That ship has sailed" over a second referendum sank his chances just as effectively.

 

[Woosh]

small typo, you mean Janet Daley of the torygraph (you type the Guardian).
all what she implies is the Telegraph's readers are easily persuaded.

 

[oldgroaner]

small typo, you mean Janet Daley of the torygraph (you type the Guardian).
all what she implies is the Telegraph's readers are easily persuaded.

I stand corrected! and agree of course!

 

[oldtom]

In Croatia, there needs to be a referendum soon on the matter of gender equality. The current disagreement is about the fundamentals of human rights and I rather thought they would have learned something from the Balkan wars in the 1990s through till 2001 about human rights.

Sadly, the hatred in that region which should have been consigned to history seems to simmer on, manifesting itself in religious and ethnic differences. What we are seeing in Croatia now shouldn't really surprise us as that whole region has never been an amicable place since before WW1.

The BBC reports in this way:

world-europe-43528212

Tom

 

[tillson]

No thank you very much, TM imagines she is doing exactly what you describe and the results are unacceptable.

Dictators have always been disastrous, even though they usually show a short term profit of a sort that seems attractive to the external observer.

It always ends in tears.

TM is not a dictator, she would like to be, but she has the personality of a rapist, the charisma of a dog turd and the ability of a retard. For these reasons, she will never curry favour with enough, sufficiently influential people, to remain in power.

I think a benevolent dictatorship, if such a thing exists, would be a very effective and efficient form of government. The likelihood is that even this form of government would eventually sink into corruption and greed, because humans are naturally corrupt and greedy.

 

[flecc]

Which does not mean that there were not large numbers of people within Yugoslavia who felt suppressed. See, for example, Croatian Spring.

I've got news for you. Large numbers of people feel repressed and unrepresented here in the UK.

At least 16 million Remainers for example.
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[oldgroaner]

TM is not a dictator, she would like to be, but she has the personality of a rapist, the charisma of a dog turd and the ability of a retard. For these reasons, she will never curry favour with enough, sufficiently influential people, to remain in power.

I think a benevolent dictatorship, if such a thing exists, would be a very effective and efficient form of government. The likelihood is that even this form of government would eventually sink into corruption and greed, because humans are naturally corrupt and greedy.

Government is not merely an exercise in efficiency, it should be the application of wisdom, which is far too much to expect from the sort of personality that fights it's way to the top of a dung hill

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[Danidl]

TM is not a dictator, she would like to be, but she has the personality of a rapist, the charisma of a dog turd and the ability of a retard. For these reasons, she will never curry favour with enough, sufficiently influential people, to remain in power.

I think a benevolent dictatorship, if such a thing exists, would be a very effective and efficient form of government. The likelihood is that even this form of government would eventually sink into corruption and greed, because humans are naturally corrupt and greedy.

Wow all of Platos republic reduced to a single sentence.

 

[Zlatan]

Yep, all the great civilizations have been led by dictators...Hitler, Mussolini, Ghenkis Kahn, Attila the Hun. Real land marks in human progress..

 

[flecc]

Yep, all the great civilizations have been led by dictators...Hitler, Mussolini, Ghenkis Kahn, Attila the Hun. Real land marks in human progress..

Conquerors rather than successful dictators. Only Genhgis Kahn was also a truly successful dictator, the other three not lasting very long. Even Robert Mugabe lasted longer than them in his presidential dictatorship period.

As a dictator Mussolini scarcely qualified, he was even sacked by King Victor in 1943 and was completely out of power for months until Hitler gave him a nominal title that lasted him a short while.
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[oldgroaner]

It looks like the Poisoning by Nerve Toxin story has been replaced by a new Corbyn attack
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Jeremy Corbyn SLAMMED by Jewish community for supporting 'anti-semites again and again'
LEADERS of the Jewish community have slammed Jeremy Corbyn for siding with anti-Semites “again and again” accusing him of viewing Jews as a “hostile entity and class enemy”, it has been revealed.

Both in the Telegraph and Express.
Total waste of time, but they keep trying.

By the by how can Corbyn be anti Semitic by siding with Arabs like the Palestinians?
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Se·mit·ic
/səˈmidik/
adjective

• 1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
• 2. relating to the peoples who speak the Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

They are after all Semitic too!