Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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not really good news nor fake news because most of the contents have already been known. He is of course correct in saying we are not out of the tunnel yet, possibly because he knows better than most members of TM's team that hard times are still ahead for many more years, possibly one or two generations.

Donald Tusk made it clear today at the EP that the UK has to be made to regret brexit.
That is NOT what Donald Tusk said. What he said was the uk would come to regret it. There is a difference between passive and active voice
 
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Hours after his boss, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, was ousted Steve Goldstein, the under secretary of Public Affairs at the State Department has been fired by the White House.

He had announced that Tillerson didn't know why he had been sacked, presumably further upsetting Trump.
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I'm afraid to say that I disagree with your premise 'Danidl', indeed I rather like the idea of shops offering produce primarily intended for foreign ex-pats and the language is unimportant - we all manage to get what we want when we go abroad, sometimes with little or no understanding of the country's native language. Besides, some of these shops offer foodstuffs I like, not usually readily available in our supermarkets.

As for 'Pret A Manger', why would they not identify themselves as English? The company was founded by a couple of young English guys and I know from my trips to Paris, there aren't many outlets in France, indeed, they didn't exist at all until about 5 years ago. I have French friends and relatives, some of whom had never heard of 'Pret A Manger', let alone snacked in one of their shops when I asked about it, imagining it to be a French-owned concern.

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Both you and flecc are skating around the issue. At no stage am i suggesting that ethnic foods would not be available . At no stage was i suggesting that shopkeepers would have to use English words for products which don't have English equivalents. But that using signs only in Arabic or Urdu or Chinese or whatever , in alphabets and presumably numericals which are not amenable to the general public is elitist, and unwelcoming to those outside their flocks. My observation was as to how I might ,were I a young moody teenager, choose to interpret the deliberate decision to exclude me.
Putting oneself in the shoes of another can lead to insights.
That both yourself and flecc, are not in anyway discomforted says a lot for your tolerance and perhaps age, but others might not be as sanguine
 

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That is NOT what Donald Tusk said. What he said was the uk would come to regret it. There is a difference between passive and active voice
Mr Tusk said:
On March 29, 2019, at midnight the United Kingdom will have left the European Union.
'Then will come the time when you regret your decision'.

why is he so sure of this fact?
 

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Mr Tusk said:
On March 29, 2019, at midnight the United Kingdom will have left the European Union.
'Then will come the time when you regret your decision'.

why is he so sure of this fact?
.. because it's bloody obvious. And he was actually responding to heckled comments from the more mature UK brekiteer MEPs
 
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Perhaps Mr Tusk's confidence in the forthcoming divorce settlement is that he and his post-'Brexit' analysts have done their homework whereas we have presented them with a group of bumbling amateurs sans any kind of plan or proposals.

It seems to me that we have no aces to play and the EU holds all the court cards and that is why a hard 'Brexit' is looking increasingly likely in view of the UK's uncompromising attitude to the 27 remaining, sovereign EU nations.

This is probably closer to the truth at the moment than any of our politicians want to admit:


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.. because it's bloody obvious. And he was actually responding to heckled comments from the more mature UK brekiteer MEPs
didn't he want to tell them 'we'll make you regret brexit'?
It is quite clear that the UK is the supplicant for the transition period and a deal.
 

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What,s your view on the Americanisation of much of world...wherever you roll up you,ll be able to buy Coke ( the drink) and a Big Mac ?
Also what's you view on Benidorm? Every shop , cafe and restaurant along with hotels are catering for Brits. Walk along front there ( which by the way is quite stunning as is most of Benidorm) and you could think you were in some British ( English) resort but without the rain. Parts of South France are similar. Village we bought in 25 years ago ( we were second English speaking family to buy there) is now predominantly English, Scotch or Irish, with a few Germans. Calling it a French/ Catalan village is now an exaggeration. You can go in any bar and watch premiere league..( Had to be rugby upto a few years ago)
To my mind the village has lost something, even tho the locals fully support the ingress of foreigners.( brought work and put up house values)...but its one of reasons we,ve left. An English chap bought our house. Even the allotments are predominantly English owned, growing flowers which is against local practice , locals only grow fruit/veg)
How many years before we have just a monotone culture...everywhere ..??
Every culture should guard its identity. It will be a sad loss when we are all the same.
Actually it wont, with any luck it will mean we have grown up as Homo Sapiens and put an end to war.
 
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I think Putin is on a warning from Mrs May. He has until midnight night to explain himself and Russia’s involvement. If he doesn’t, she is going to humiliate herself and the UK in front of the entire world, a sort of pulling her britches down and showing her @rse on a global scale situation.
I'm reminded of the Famous last of the Summer Wine gag where Cleggy was describing Adrian's girlfiend the maneater Marina.
"I'm not going in there, I've seen her frighten Sailors!":eek:
 

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didn't he want to tell them 'we'll make you regret brexit'?
It is quite clear that the UK is the supplicant for the transition period and a deal.
I have no idea what he wanted to tell them .. not have you. But what you reported initially as what he had said was incorrect
 

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Both you and flecc are skating around the issue.
Putting oneself in the shoes of another can lead to insights.
How you can say I've skated round the issue when no issue exists other than in your mind?

It's precisely because I'm viewing from the shoes of those involved that I'm supporting them and their right to the business of their choice. Your hypothetical moody teenager isn't involved and I certainly wouldn't stand in his shoes and nor should you. He should mind his own business or face the consequences of any unwise actions. In your argument he or anyone else objecting to such a shop is just as likely to object to the existence of a mosque or synagogue because they aren't for them either.

The fact that these shops are not being attacked or even objected to here is proof enough that we who live here are largely happy with them. They aren't for you so ignore them, don't try to impose your wishes where they don't belong.
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I have no idea what he wanted to tell them .. not have you. But what you reported initially as what he had said was incorrect
I beg to differ. He spoke in both French and English and I could sense what he meant, I didn't need to listen to the official interpreter. I guess Farage sensed it too, that may explain why he barged in. In no way the UK can get what it wants because it has to be worse off outside the club than in.
One for all and all for one, but not the British although the UK hasn't left yet.
 
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From the Daily Mail, the "We make the News Ourselves" Paper
Russian double agent and daughter were poisoned when they got into his BMW
  • Police focus attention on Sergei Skripal's BMW as they investigation poisoning
  • It is thought he and his daughter were in the car two hours before they collapsed
  • Police have closed a car park where it was parked and removed a recovery van
  • It was announced today that 38 people were affected by the nerve agent attack
  • Met Police chief says investigation will expand and could take 'many weeks'

A reader's comment points out a couple of flaws
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Lipslicker, Ripon, United Kingdom, 52 minutes ago

This story sounds like it smells a funny colour. Nothing about it makes sense. Two people walking down a street past a camera, six minutes later a policeman is running past the camera having received a call. One minute after that an ambulance races past the camera. So these two went down within seconds, so fast they could not even call out for assistance, and were found by others catatonic and frothing, yet they were supposedly poisoned before using their car a long time before. In the meantime, they had been for a walk, to the pub, and out to lunch. Yeah, right. Sure."

And this further down in the paper
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38 people had been ‘seen’ by medical staff in relation to the attack. But only the Skripals and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, among the first on the scene, were in hospital. A fourth person was being monitored at home but has shown no signs of poisoning.


So we actually have the World's slowest acting Nerve Agent, mass panic, and it could have come from anywhere including Porton Down a few miles up the road.
And now we have another ex Russian Agent done in using the low tech method of strangulation.
Somehow none of this hangs together, does it?
Too convenient, especially when a diversion would be so welcome!
Nothing like an external threat to keep the punters on side, is there?

Hmmm!
 

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