Brexit, for once some facts.
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On this topic,if no other, flecc i think you have lost the plot. I have absolutely no problem going into a shop and buying salami. I would expect however for it to have writing say contains 30% fat (..or the fancy word lipids) and a warning for some religiously concerned " may contain pork.". In the offical language of the country.
When I go to france I am prepared to read it in french.. that there is also text in spanish and dutch is a bonus.
I do not know whether there is an offical language in England. I do know that we have one( actualy two) in ireland..its written into the consitution, similarly in France. But it is evident that english whatever the accent is the operational language INSIDE THE UK... When Hansard starts being written in a completly different script and language . When the traffic signs, safety notices .. when court orders etc ...
To my mind it shows a blatent disregard and dare i say it an arrogance for the norms of the country in which they are placed when shops do not identify themselves in the language of the country..
I'll let "pret a manger " off that hook because its a tradename and they identify their trade in english..
No, I haven't lost the plot, I'm just supporting the rights of minorities to have retail premises specifically supplying their own minority and having no other purpose. There's no need for English language for their customers and it's absence makes it clear to me that I'm not an intended customer.
In what way is that a problem? With the current high street problems there's no shortage of shop premises so I'm not being deprived in any way. And as I've already illustrated, I'm not being barred from entry and inquiring if I'm so minded and my experience is one of helpfulness when I've done so.
Over time as their English speaking young grow up while retaining many of the tastes of their upbringing and even working in those shops, those businesses will evolve and start to present in a multicultural manner you would approve of.
All that's needed meanwhile is a little tolerance and patience.
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Leaders who repeatedly sack members of their team usually end being shown up as behaviourally idiots. After all, they usually appointed them in the first instance.
A prime example is Boris Johnson when London Mayor, who appointed a set of patently unsuited people, mostly friends and acquaintances, and then successively sacked them one by one.
His own legacy from that post is decidedly one of an idiot, the only successes being where he continued the previous incumbent's policies.
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He is dumping anyone connected with Putin perhaps?
"Rex Tillerson is the CEO of ExxonMobil. His ties around the globe include a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin. USA TODAY NETWORK"
The Sun is filled with a warm glow
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SPRING FORWARD
Spring Statement 2018: Philip Hammond unveils good news on the economy – and hints he could use windfall to go on spending spree
Philip Hammond has delivered the Spring Statement in the House of Commons"
Is if good news? or is it Fake news?
It really doesn't matter does it?
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SPRING FORWARD
Spring Statement 2018: Philip Hammond unveils good news on the economy – and hints he could use windfall to go on spending spree
Philip Hammond has delivered the Spring Statement in the House of Commons"
Is if good news? or is it Fake news?
It really doesn't matter does it?
I'm afraid to say that I disagree with your premise 'Danidl', indeed I rather like the idea of shops offering produce primarily intended for foreign ex-pats and the language is unimportant - we all manage to get what we want when we go abroad, sometimes with little or no understanding of the country's native language. Besides, some of these shops offer foodstuffs I like, not usually readily available in our supermarkets.
As for 'Pret A Manger', why would they not identify themselves as English? The company was founded by a couple of young English guys and I know from my trips to Paris, there aren't many outlets in France, indeed, they didn't exist at all until about 5 years ago. I have French friends and relatives, some of whom had never heard of 'Pret A Manger', let alone snacked in one of their shops when I asked about it, imagining it to be a French-owned concern.
Tom
not really good news nor fake news because most of the contents have already been known. He is of course correct in saying we are not out of the tunnel yet, possibly because he knows better than most members of TM's team that hard times are still ahead for many more years, possibly one or two generations.
Donald Tusk made it clear today at the EP that the UK has to be made to regret brexit.
He seems to think that our economic growth is good news when it's about the lowest in the developed world. In other words we are on a path of continuously falling further behind.
Thats not reassuring from the man in charge of our national finances.
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An interesting decision in an Irish court yesterday with Europe wide implications.
A judge has refused an extradition request from Poland, for a suspect. The grounds for refusing are that a set of new laws brought into being by the current polish government has in her opinion jeopardised the accused right to a fair trial and invalidates the basis upon which European arrest warrants are granted. It is not one specific law she is referring to but to an assemblage of laws. She has passed the matter up for adjudication by the ECJ. Legal authorities in Poland, particularly the judicary, are delighted with her decision. However the view of the polish government is currently mute!.
Is this unwarranted interference in the sovereign rights of a state or the necessary compromises when engaging with peers?. Answers on a postcard please.
A judge has refused an extradition request from Poland, for a suspect. The grounds for refusing are that a set of new laws brought into being by the current polish government has in her opinion jeopardised the accused right to a fair trial and invalidates the basis upon which European arrest warrants are granted. It is not one specific law she is referring to but to an assemblage of laws. She has passed the matter up for adjudication by the ECJ. Legal authorities in Poland, particularly the judicary, are delighted with her decision. However the view of the polish government is currently mute!.
Is this unwarranted interference in the sovereign rights of a state or the necessary compromises when engaging with peers?. Answers on a postcard please.
From the Independent
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Russian spy attack: Hundreds in Salisbury could be poisoned in years to come with 'no cure', says nerve agent developer
Public Health England insists the risk to the general public remains low and 38 people have been assessed
Don't panic!
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Russian spy attack: Hundreds in Salisbury could be poisoned in years to come with 'no cure', says nerve agent developer
Public Health England insists the risk to the general public remains low and 38 people have been assessed
Don't panic!
Flecc
What,s your view on the Americanisation of much of world...wherever you roll up you,ll be able to buy Coke ( the drink) and a Big Mac ?
Also what's you view on Benidorm? Every shop , cafe and restaurant along with hotels are catering for Brits. Walk along front there ( which by the way is quite stunning as is most of Benidorm) and you could think you were in some British ( English) resort but without the rain. Parts of South France are similar. Village we bought in 25 years ago ( we were second English speaking family to buy there) is now predominantly English, Scotch or Irish, with a few Germans. Calling it a French/ Catalan village is now an exaggeration. You can go in any bar and watch premiere league..( Had to be rugby upto a few years ago)
To my mind the village has lost something, even tho the locals fully support the ingress of foreigners.( brought work and put up house values)...but its one of reasons we,ve left. An English chap bought our house. Even the allotments are predominantly English owned, growing flowers which is against local practice , locals only grow fruit/veg)
How many years before we have just a monotone culture...everywhere ..??
Every culture should guard its identity. It will be a sad loss when we are all the same.
What,s your view on the Americanisation of much of world...wherever you roll up you,ll be able to buy Coke ( the drink) and a Big Mac ?
Also what's you view on Benidorm? Every shop , cafe and restaurant along with hotels are catering for Brits. Walk along front there ( which by the way is quite stunning as is most of Benidorm) and you could think you were in some British ( English) resort but without the rain. Parts of South France are similar. Village we bought in 25 years ago ( we were second English speaking family to buy there) is now predominantly English, Scotch or Irish, with a few Germans. Calling it a French/ Catalan village is now an exaggeration. You can go in any bar and watch premiere league..( Had to be rugby upto a few years ago)
To my mind the village has lost something, even tho the locals fully support the ingress of foreigners.( brought work and put up house values)...but its one of reasons we,ve left. An English chap bought our house. Even the allotments are predominantly English owned, growing flowers which is against local practice , locals only grow fruit/veg)
How many years before we have just a monotone culture...everywhere ..??
Every culture should guard its identity. It will be a sad loss when we are all the same.
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I support that Irish judge's decision, the legal changes that Poland is making clearly breach human rights. Since the EU is quite clear that with their changes Poland is in breach of EU law and may be in danger of expulsion from the EU, the judge appears to have the support of the EU and probably the ECJ.
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I agree with much of what you are saying and implying and some of these changes I dislike, so I sympathise with your disapproval. With all change there is loss for at least a while, shades of Brexit here perhaps?
But as ever I take the long view of the eventual outcome. In a globally trading world with rapid advanced travel and international education and language available for many, it's inevitable that cultures will merge over time. Resisting it is futile, so better to engage and have an influence on the development of the common society.
Regional variety will take different forms as it evolves and there are factors that will always ensure differences, latitude, altitude and weather for example produce cultures and practices. Nigeria isn't going to be building an ice hotel for example, nor will desert countries like Tunisia have worm charming competitions!
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I think Putin is on a warning from Mrs May. He has until midnight night to explain himself and Russia’s involvement. If he doesn’t, she is going to humiliate herself and the UK in front of the entire world, a sort of pulling her britches down and showing her @rse on a global scale situation.
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Putin could explain it in 4 words... "We didn't do it" Then what will she do?
Being Scottish, I liked Boris's idea. Pull England out of the world cup.