Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

that is because the raw material is so currently cheap so recycling technology receives less incentive to develop.
Plastics in particular need to be replaced by other less environmentally harmful materials because it will remain cheap to make in the foreseeable future.
Just look at the progress of solar cells and offshore wind farms, recycling of paper. When there is money to be made...

I'm accounting for all those but your options are still dead ends with current and near future overpopulation.

No matter how much recycling develops, fresh material input will always be needed, and it can be quite substantial. To say that need not be is rather like arguing that perpetual motion is possible. Your example of paper recycling is unfortunate since even for the lowest paper grade, newsprint, the new wood input is 40%. That is unavoidable since the wood fibre that makes paper making possible breaks down with each use, resulting in weak paper that falls to pieces.

And as for wind farms, technology will never increase the incidence of wind, so other resources will always needed to be capable of providing much of our need at times.

We are already using far too much of this planet's land surface and resources and destroying other life in consequence. That is the biggest problem of all long term since the planet is an integrated system that needs to remain intact while naturally evolving.

Technology is all too often the unrealised enemy. The advances in solving our problems are celebrated while the costs to the planet's future ignored out of expediency until the cost is learnt too late. Global warming and our inability to do anything about it while watching parts of our ecosystem collapse is a perfect example.
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[tillson]

I'm afraid they're not the noble savages you would like to believe. Many supported farage, ukip, are more than just a little racist, xenophobic.

You can’t possibly know that & it’s just wild speculation on your part. Speculation fuelled by prejudice.

 

[oldgroaner]

Mmmm. You underestiimate him. He,s president of most powerful country world has ever seen. He might be lots of things but he sure as hell is no idiot.

Nothing you have said precludes him being an idiot, in fact rather the opposite.
What his position proves is that the "Democratic" process is, like any other Human system, not guaranteed to produce good results ever time.
In fact ours seems destined to always ensure that as in dirty contaminated water.
Scum rises to the top

 

[oldgroaner]

You can’t possibly know that & it’s just wild speculation on your part. Speculation fuelled by prejudice.

Carry on, you are beginning to look as bigger fool as Mr Bicyclesalesman.

Of course, the same caveat extends to your point of view, especially when you refer to someone erroneously "as bigger Fool as Mr Bicyclesalesman"
And of course it should have been "as big a fool"
His statement was qualified after all.
"Many supported farage, ukip, are more than just a little racist, xenophobic.
And really, are you denying with that qualification his comments are probably accurate?
Are you categorically deny that many didn't and do not hold such beliefs?

If so I recommend reading the reader's comments in the right wing press.
What you should have asked was "And just how many people do subscribe to that point of view, where is the proof?

This is not just a UK thing is it?
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In our survey, carried out before President Trump’s executive order was announced, respondents were given the following statement: ‘All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped’. They were then asked to what extent did they agree or disagree with this statement. Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.

Majorities in all but two of the ten states agreed, ranging from 71% in Poland, 65% in Austria, 53% in Germany and 51% in Italy to 47% in the United Kingdom and 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%.

Whatever the reason, there is no denying a level of distrust is there? and what is it based on?

 

[Steb]

You can’t possibly know that & it’s just wild speculation on your part. Speculation fuelled by prejudice.

I can, and do know it. I've lived in the uk twenty years, and started with very little. I have had children here, and know more than my fair share about state schools. Using the relatively privileged background to account for brexit voters' unbelievable stupidity is at best an act of denial, at worst subterfuge.

 

[tillson]

I can, and do know it. I've lived in the uk twenty years, and started with very little.

If you knew anything about the area to which Kudos referred in his original post, you would know that Mansfield is situated in an area that predominantly relied on mining and the textiles industry for employment. That has all gone now, and with it the heart out of communities that had been employed there for generations. Of course, I can't say for certain, but I would bet a pension that the couple in question are Labour voters. They are highly likely to have never voted for any other political party and hold UKIP and Nigel Farage in contempt.

Maybe when you have lived in the UK a bit longer, your prejudices will subside.

 

[tillson]

"as bigger Fool as Mr Bicyclesalesman"
And of course it should have been "as big a fool"

You can have that one.

 

[Steb]

If you knew anything about the area to which Kudos referred in his original post, you would know that Mansfield is situated in an area that predominantly relied on mining and the textiles industry for employment. That has all gone now, and with it the heart out of communities that had been employed there for generations. Of course, I can't say for certain, but I would bet a pension that the couple in question are Labour voters. They are highly likely to have never voted for any other political party and hold UKIP and Nigel Farage in contempt.

Maybe when you have lived in the UK a bit longer, your prejudices will subside.

you make many completely unfounded assumptions. You don't have any idea who the couple were. Your caricature of Mansfield is unfair. On the plus side, your deductive process provides insight into how brexit happened.

 

[tillson]

you make many completely unfounded assumptions. You don't have any idea who the couple were. Your caricature of Mansfield is unfair. On the plus side, your deductive process provides insight into how brexit happened.

No, read the text;

I said, "Mansfield is situated in an area that predominantly relied on mining and the textiles industry for employment. That has all gone now, and with it the heart out of communities that had been employed there for generations."

That is a fact, not an assumption.

I then said;

"Of course, I can't say for certain, but I would bet a pension that the couple in question are Labour voters. They are highly likely to have never voted for any other political party and hold UKIP and Nigel Farage in contempt."

Notice something? The words, "I can't say for certain,,,"

This is an indication of probability. I didn't say that it was fact, just a likelihood. See? Get it?

You are starting to display similar characteristics to a previous member called Derf. He ceased posting shortly before you joined the Pedelec forum. Just sayin'.

 

[tillson]

I can, and do know it. I've lived in the uk twenty years, and started with very little. I have had children here, and know more than my fair share about state schools.

If you have lived in the UK for 20 years, am I correct in thinking you lived in another country prior to that? If so, I find this a bit strange that in an earlier post, you said this about the people of the UK:

generous and welcoming"? more "greedy and self obsessed". we drain deprived communities around the world of health care professionals (by luring them with money developing countries cannot offer)so we don't have to pay to train our own (and are happy to let their dependents drown in the med).

A powerful and damning statement that. But it does raise a question, If the people of the UK are greedy, self obsessed and content to allow people to drown in the sea, why are you still here? The place you describe is not o Is it because the UK has welcomed you and given you an opportunity to prosper and educated your children and provided a relatively self place for you to make your home? Is that the reason you are still here?

Derf had a similar view to you, but unfortunately he tied himself up in knots and in the end didn't actually know which country he was living in! Poor chap. Just sayin' thats all.

 

[flecc]

You are starting to display similar characteristics to a previous member called Derf. He ceased posting shortly before you joined the Pedelec forum. Just sayin'.

Probably anagrams:

Derf = Fred

Steb = Best


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[Steb]

If you have lived in the UK for 20 years, am I correct in thinking you lived in another country prior to that? If so, I find this a bit strange that in an earlier post, you said this about the people of the UK:



A powerful and damning statement that. But it does raise a question, If the people of the UK are greedy, self obsessed and content to allow people to drown in the sea, why are you still here? The place you describe is not o Is it because the UK has welcomed you and given you an opportunity to prosper and educated your children and provided a relatively self place for you to make your home? Is that the reason you are still here?

Derf had a similar view to you, but unfortunately he tied himself up in knots and in the end didn't actually know which country he was living in! Poor chap. Just sayin' thats all.

ermmm...have you had your medication?

 

[tillson]

Probably anagrams:

Derf = Fred

Steb = Best


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So, it could be Fred Best? I’m relieved he doesn’t use the name Stew, that would make him Fred West and then we’d all be in trouble.

 

[Steb]

So, it could be Fred Best? I’m relieved he doesn’t use the name Stew, that would make him Fred West and then we’d all be in trouble.

but you do insist on making personal attacks. trolling is probably more accurate. that is rather boring. call me an optimist, but I had hoped for something a bit more intellectually challenging, even from a brexit baboon..

 

[tillson]

ermmm...have you had your medication?

Just wondering why you continue to live in a country which you have such little regard for.

 

[Steb]

Just wondering why you continue to live in a country which you have such little regard for.

well, evidently with bipeds like you, I have a mission here to enlighten..

 

[tillson]

but you do insist on making personal attacks. trolling is probably more accurate. that is rather boring. call me an optimist, but I had hoped for something a bit more intellectually challenging, even from a brexit baboon..

Brexit baboon Come on, you can do better than that.

 

[Steb]

Brexit baboon Come on, you can do better than that.

nah..I'm not feeding trolls today ;>)

 

[tillson]

well, evidently with bipeds like you, I have a mission here to enlighten..

But you’ve only just found me, what’s been keeping you in this land of the greedy, & unwelcoming for the past 20 years?

I bet you like it really.

 

[tillson]

nah..I'm not feeding trolls today ;>)

More likely painted oneself into a corner with the nasty people of the U.K. post which you made earlier.