Well, most brexiters I speak to are happy to have nurses from the third world. Very happy to deprive already severely deprived communities of the health care they have. That's neither ethical, nor very enlightened (perhaps it has something to do with a history of being a parasitic empire).
Brexit, for once some facts.
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As we are drawn ever closer to the cliff edge that is 'Brexit' by a fascist government, hell-bent on improving the lot of the rich and landed at the expense of ordinary people, we need to look closely at the things that government says and the things they do.
They and their agents and sponsors have repeatedly reported terrible things about the leader of the Opposition, using words such as 'betrayal'.
Here is a more accurate portrayal of the people guilty of betrayal:
Tory Lies And Smears: They want to talk about "betrayal"?
Well, its been a while, but its time to start talking about some good old fashioned Tory lies and smears, and their utterly astonishing hypocrisy.
Much has happened since I was last here. Theresa May had a cunning plan. She decided a snap general election would leave her with a majority of 100+, confining Labour to oblivion for at least a generation. Instead she just about scraped through, relying on the votes of a political party that thinks line dancing is sinful.
Nine months on from the general election and the Conservative Party are in absolute chaos. They didn't expect to be in this position right now. The rise of the left wasn't supposed to happen, and they know a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour Government is now a distinct possibility.
So we get on to the smears. This isn't anything new. The latest words they are hoping will catch on are "chilling", "authoritarian", and the current favourite, "betrayal", used by Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, and the Prime Minister herself, Theresa May.
Then we have the Minister for Vasectomies, Ben Bradley, whose bizarre tweet about Jeremy Corbyn, claiming Mr Corbyn "sold British secrets to Communist spies" - ended up with him having to delete the tweet and issue a grovelling apology, as well as pay Mr Corbyn's legal costs and make a "substantial" donation to a Mansfield based charity. Dangerous lies such as these should never go unchallenged, and Corbyn's team were absolutely right to pursue this.
And what about the Defence Secretary? If ever there was a contender for a seriously creepy award, Id have to give it to Gavin. He said of Corbyn "that he met foreign spies is a betrayal of his country".
So in short, you have easily influenced fools like Williamson and Bradley spreading lies, with assistance from the billionaire tax-avoiding media barons, and senior Tories trying to give them some sort of validity. Williamson never did apologise for his outrageous smear.
Betrayal is a strong word to use. Even more so when it is being used to smear a decent human being. But if Williamson thinks Mr Corbyn is somehow betraying his country, wouldn't he be alarmed to hear about the Cabinet Minister that dined with a former Vladimir Putin crony after his party accepted a £30,000 donation from his wife? The Minister in question was even gracious enough to give him a tour of Winston Churchill's war room.
Of course that won't bother Gavin, because *he* was that Minister. The hypocrite.
Some might say the Tories destruction and dismantlement of our National Health Service is a betrayal of all the people that pay for it, and work for it. What about the betrayal of 128,000 children that are deemed as homeless? What about the betrayal of our morality and our standing in the world? We supply a vicious and barbaric regime like Saudi Arabia with weapons. These people behead women, children and men in the streets. They drop our bombs on innocent civilians in Yemen. Some 5 million Yemenis are in famine. We are now the 2nd biggest arms dealer in the world.
The Tories have only just betrayed the victims of phone hacking by ruling out a 2nd Leveson inquiry. This is despite the promises of David Cameron to make sure it went ahead. A cynic might end up thinking the government did this favour for their media backers in exchange for a persistent smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.
But I'm sure the Tories, with their desperation to cling on to office, wouldn't ever do anything like that.
Until next time...
@Rachael_Swindon
http://rachaelswindon.blogspot.co.uk/…/tory-lies-and-smears…
Tom
They and their agents and sponsors have repeatedly reported terrible things about the leader of the Opposition, using words such as 'betrayal'.
Here is a more accurate portrayal of the people guilty of betrayal:
Tory Lies And Smears: They want to talk about "betrayal"?
Well, its been a while, but its time to start talking about some good old fashioned Tory lies and smears, and their utterly astonishing hypocrisy.
Much has happened since I was last here. Theresa May had a cunning plan. She decided a snap general election would leave her with a majority of 100+, confining Labour to oblivion for at least a generation. Instead she just about scraped through, relying on the votes of a political party that thinks line dancing is sinful.
Nine months on from the general election and the Conservative Party are in absolute chaos. They didn't expect to be in this position right now. The rise of the left wasn't supposed to happen, and they know a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour Government is now a distinct possibility.
So we get on to the smears. This isn't anything new. The latest words they are hoping will catch on are "chilling", "authoritarian", and the current favourite, "betrayal", used by Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, and the Prime Minister herself, Theresa May.
Then we have the Minister for Vasectomies, Ben Bradley, whose bizarre tweet about Jeremy Corbyn, claiming Mr Corbyn "sold British secrets to Communist spies" - ended up with him having to delete the tweet and issue a grovelling apology, as well as pay Mr Corbyn's legal costs and make a "substantial" donation to a Mansfield based charity. Dangerous lies such as these should never go unchallenged, and Corbyn's team were absolutely right to pursue this.
And what about the Defence Secretary? If ever there was a contender for a seriously creepy award, Id have to give it to Gavin. He said of Corbyn "that he met foreign spies is a betrayal of his country".
So in short, you have easily influenced fools like Williamson and Bradley spreading lies, with assistance from the billionaire tax-avoiding media barons, and senior Tories trying to give them some sort of validity. Williamson never did apologise for his outrageous smear.
Betrayal is a strong word to use. Even more so when it is being used to smear a decent human being. But if Williamson thinks Mr Corbyn is somehow betraying his country, wouldn't he be alarmed to hear about the Cabinet Minister that dined with a former Vladimir Putin crony after his party accepted a £30,000 donation from his wife? The Minister in question was even gracious enough to give him a tour of Winston Churchill's war room.
Of course that won't bother Gavin, because *he* was that Minister. The hypocrite.
Some might say the Tories destruction and dismantlement of our National Health Service is a betrayal of all the people that pay for it, and work for it. What about the betrayal of 128,000 children that are deemed as homeless? What about the betrayal of our morality and our standing in the world? We supply a vicious and barbaric regime like Saudi Arabia with weapons. These people behead women, children and men in the streets. They drop our bombs on innocent civilians in Yemen. Some 5 million Yemenis are in famine. We are now the 2nd biggest arms dealer in the world.
The Tories have only just betrayed the victims of phone hacking by ruling out a 2nd Leveson inquiry. This is despite the promises of David Cameron to make sure it went ahead. A cynic might end up thinking the government did this favour for their media backers in exchange for a persistent smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.
But I'm sure the Tories, with their desperation to cling on to office, wouldn't ever do anything like that.
Until next time...
@Rachael_Swindon
http://rachaelswindon.blogspot.co.uk/…/tory-lies-and-smears…
Tom
it is relevant because brexiters buy into the belief that new FTAs with the 50 odds CW countries and the USA where a large part of future growth will come from will easily replace any loss of trade with the EU27 and more potential.
I wonder if the 'heat map' of those areas where the belief in the greatness of the Empire coincides with that of brexit votes.
I've been commenting to that effect earlier in the thread, the delusions about our Empire and the fallacy that we were once a nation trading on ability and product desirability. Those are the delusions of so many Brexiters at all levels of society.
We succeeded back then only because we had a captive market over which we had absolute control. As we increasingly lost our empire, we increasingly lost our export trade and our rapid economic decline became inevitable.
The growth of services provision and EU trading advantages have masked that to a limited extent, but now we are about to throw much of that away as well.
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Tilson your comments about mass deportation differ from the perception, both by a segement of the UK indigenous population and by other EU citizens currently employed in the UK. Remember the mantra ." nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.". At present nothing is agreed.and even those items which sounded as if they were agreed prior to Christmas are up in the air.
You make it sound as though we have people chasing doctors and nurses through foreign streets with an oversized butterfly net, and once captured, putting them in a sack ready to ship to the U.K.
Here’s one for OG and Old Tom. Turn up the speakers, embrace Brexit, sing along and let the goodness fill your heart.
not really. your attempt to not respond to what I wrote, deflect from the argument has more in common with butterfly collecting.
Haven't we stopped doing that?
This is much more up to date
From the Daily Mail
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Foreign nurses still propping up the NHS: At least 40 trusts actively recruiting from abroad to plug staffing crisis
- 1,360 nurses have been signed up from countries like Spain and the Philippines
- Another 41 are planning to launch recruitment drives and NHS recruitment fairs to be held in Madrid and Lisbon
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I remember this
"The then Labour MP Robert Maxwell launched a rival motto Buy British, a record sung by Bruce Forsyth sold just 7,319 copies, and campaign T-shirts were found to have been made in Portugal."
Nearly as popular as Lord Nigel's demonstration outside the law courts, remember?
But thank's for the laugh.
Where anything connects to Brexit laughing is all you can do.
No my post was completely relevant. The workers to which you refer come here because we are a generous and welcoming nation able to offer a far better standard of living to that which they have in their home country. If it was anything less, they wouldn’t come here.
And later made it Take from Britain when he stole the Mirror Group pension fund and transfered it to Israel.
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I’d forgotten that Maxwell was an MP, representing working people in the working person’s political party, Labour. It makes his crime of stealing working people’s pensions all the more hideous.
I hope he was pushed when he fell off that boat.
"generous and welcoming"? more "greedy and self obsessed". we drain deprived communities around the world of health care professionals (by luring them with money developing countries cannot offer)so we don't have to pay to train our own (and are happy to let their dependents drown in the med).
So what is your solution to stop people from developing countries coming here? How do you plan to deter these people who WANT to come to the U.K.? Do you suggest paying them less than a British citizen? How about No Foreigners signs on rented accommodation? Maybe not letting them access to public places such as pubs and restaurants would make them feel sufficiently unwelcome?
I don’t think I like your idea of preventing people who have something to offer and who want to come to the U.K. from entering the country. Dare I say, it’s a bit racist and I think you might have caught ELMD off these pages.
Is this the kind of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with which you want to be associated?
It makes me ashamed to be British when I read about this kind of treatment of a fellow human being in my country.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth
Tom
It makes me ashamed to be British when I read about this kind of treatment of a fellow human being in my country.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/10/denied-free-nhs-cancer-care-left-die-home-office-commonwealth
Tom
There is a simple solution that, dare I say it, doesn't involve any of the brexit infused xenophobic fantasies you seem to be nurturing. Remain part of the EU,allow free movement,in a union that prevents exploitation, racism. But of course that would involve giving up all those imperial fantasies about being special
It's not so much about them having "Something to offer" as something we can have on the cheap.
All we have to do to stop them coming here is carry on as we are doing.
With a rabid media and falling living standards, plus a less than friendly atmosphere which you simply cannot deny existing, less and less are coming already, and after Brexit the exodus is liable to include some of our "own" too.
The fewer the better...
"The Global Footprint Network (GFN) has developed the concepts of biocapacity — the amount of land available to provide for human needs, and ecological footprint — the land needed to satisfy the consumption of different nations in a sustainable manner, including the biological capacity to absorb and mitigate the carbon dioxide emissions that lead to global warming.
The present total ecological footprint of all nations is 2.6 gHa/cap (global hectares per person) but the total biocapacity is only 1.8 gHa/cap [GFN Ecological Footprint Atlas 2009]. This overshoot means that humanity is already using 1.4 times as much resource as is sustainably available. This is only possible for a short time. We are living on the natural “capital” of the planet rather than its renewable “income”."
Looking at it another way we need 3.4 "Earths" for all Humans to enjoy similar standards to that we in UK currently enjoy. In other words , to quote Private Frazier, " We are doomed"...and " living on Capital rather than interest, the capital is dwindling ...but we are arguing about electric cars in London, congestion charge and who to trade with...Its rather missing the point...There are bigger issues.
Arguing over wether 0.7% of Earth's population does or doesn't stay in EU is quite futile...more so when its considered 40% or more are just waking up to idea of capitalism and desire for things with total disregard for environment.
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