Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Bit of a giveaway that all had been supplied with the same pre-printed poster.

A bit like the way those on pavements are handed the identical little union jacks to wave on routes where the queen is passing.

Both synthetic valueless demonstrations.
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Absolutely! and the gutter press spread them around like "Gospel truth"
Not that I believe in that either!
The problem is that large portion of the less mentally nimble of the Newspaper Readers are taken in.
 
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From the independent
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EU freezes Brexit talks until Britain produces Irish border solution
Donald Tusk says negotiations will be 'Ireland first' from now on.

There follows a "Party political tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth." on the part of the DUP, and their junior partners, the UK Conservative Party.

Better than the telly, innit Guv? all these Toffs inna "pother" :mad:
 
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From the independent
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EU freezes Brexit talks until Britain produces Irish border solution
Donald Tusk says negotiations will be 'Ireland first' from now on.

There follows a "Party political tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth." on the part of the DUP, and their junior partners, the UK Conservative Party.

Better than the telly, innit Guv? all these Toffs inna "pother" :mad:
Good to see your taxes into the Treasury going to important causes ..... keep making the payments mr. ding-dong there`s much more to come..... lol!!

Julian O'Neill‏@julianoneill 1h1 hour ago
£410m of DUP deal money in 18/19 budget. Breaks down as: £200m infrastructure, £80m health/education pressures, £30m mental health, £100m transforming health service .
 

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From the Indy again
Optimist of the Century goes to the chap who made this speech
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Brexit is a cover up by UK Government for failures to tackle other issues, warns business chief
The British Chambers of Commerce says the government must focus on 'getting the basics right'
Brexit is being used as an excuse not to tackle major domestic issues that would help fuel growth, business leaders will warn.

Britain's exit from the European Union has been allowed to "cloud over the rudderlessness" of recent years, Adam Marshall, director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, will say.

The Government must focus on fixing the basics, including improving roads, railways and airports, boosting housing supply and simplifying the immigration system, he will tell the BCC annual conference."

Would it be too unkind to remind him of a couple of things
  1. The Government has never done anything useful to help industry in the past
  2. It is more likely to sell it and infrastructure off than try to improve things.
 
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Good to see your taxes into the Treasury going to important causes ..... keep making the payments mr. ding-dong there`s much more to come..... lol!!

Julian O'Neill‏@julianoneill 1h1 hour ago
£410m of DUP deal money in 18/19 budget. Breaks down as: £200m infrastructure, £80m health/education pressures, £30m mental health, £100m transforming health service .
And you haven't realised that May will drop you proverbially "in it" when you have served her purpose?
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The man who signed the DUP-Conservative agreement has said that the £1 billion which it secured for Northern Ireland should begin flowing by the end of this year. Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, the party’s chief whip at Westminster, dismissed suggestions that the funding could be on hold, saying that he expects formal Parliamentary authorisation for the spending to come next month. Sir Jeffrey said that the exact timetable was not yet known “because the House of Commons operates week to week and we get one week’s notice [of business]” but that he had no concerns about the money being paid as promised. However, if some or all of the money does not come to Northern Ireland, the Lagan Valley MP said that it would end the DUP’s agreement to support the government in confidence and supply votes, which effectively sustains Theresa May in power.

It seems he isn't confident of getting the money, and let's be honest who can blame him?
Blackmail needs a credible threat and by the and of the year there could easily be another GE with Corbyn in power, and then you can as Boris would say
"Whistle for the Money!" Tommie :D
 
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From the Irish papers
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‘Egregious act of aggression’: Jacob Rees-Mogg attacks Ireland and the EU over Brexit


Jacob Rees-Mogg has launched a stinging attack on Ireland and the European Union, accusing them of risking a “no deal” Brexit. The leading Brexiteer claims their suggestion that Northern Ireland should be in a common regulatory area with Brussels to avoid a hard border on the island is “absurd”.

I am getting confused, didn't Jackass previously demand a "No deal Brexit"?
Or was that just my imagination?
 
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I am getting confused, didn't Jackass previously demand a "No deal Brexit"?
Or was that just my imagination?
it seems that JRM plays both side. Officially, he wants a good deal and unofficially, he is pleased that the EU sticks to their guns, he expects no deal. Either way, he will be ready to challenge her, 'Prime Minister, why is it that you could not deliver the brexit you promised?'
The EU is right to challenge TM on the Irish border issue. It's not just the Irish border, Gibraltar is in a similar situation, would be much better off remaining part of the SM, so are the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Scotland, Wales and all the English cities.
Only the shires of England should be under WTO terms.
 

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I'm not sure how significant this piece of news is at this time but I suspect it may trigger further migration from the London-based finance houses which many have speculated on for some considerable time.

The money men are becoming increasingly nervous the longer these negotiations continue with no sign of any mutually acceptable agreement in sight, indeed it seems as though odds on the worst-case scenario of hard 'Brexit' are shortening, week by week.

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The 'Independent's take on it is here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-euroclear-headquarters-move-london-brussels-financial-services-uk-latest-a8243771.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

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I'm not sure how significant this piece of news is at this time but I suspect it may trigger further migration from the London-based finance houses which many have speculated on for some considerable time.

The money men are becoming increasingly nervous the longer these negotiations continue with no sign of any mutually acceptable agreement in sight, indeed it seems as though odds on the worst-case scenario of hard 'Brexit' are shortening, week by week.

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The 'Independent's take on it is here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-euroclear-headquarters-move-london-brussels-financial-services-uk-latest-a8243771.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Tom
Interesting readers comment on the article
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mike mansfield
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Brexsterity is upon us after Brexit. It will make austerity look like a boom.
 

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I'm not sure how significant this piece of news is at this time but I suspect it may trigger further migration from the London-based finance houses which many have speculated on for some considerable time.
A lot of companies have to get ready for a no deal brexit on the 1st of April because they sell annual contracts (loans, insurance, mortgage etc) which risk to be invalid if the UK has no transitional deal by end of March next year. Lots of them are based in Gibraltar.
The EU has to state clearly what they can accept for the transition deal.
If China can have one country, two systems for HK, why can't the UK?
 
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I'm not sure how significant this piece of news is at this time but I suspect it may trigger further migration from the London-based finance houses which many have speculated on for some considerable time.

The money men are becoming increasingly nervous the longer these negotiations continue with no sign of any mutually acceptable agreement in sight, indeed it seems as though odds on the worst-case scenario of hard 'Brexit' are shortening, week by week.


Tom
it's bound to happen unless we stay in the SM.
There is still a chance that may happen.
Personally, I think staying in the SM (aka BRINO) is the sanest thing to do.
 
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From the Irish papers
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‘Egregious act of aggression’: Jacob Rees-Mogg attacks Ireland and the EU over Brexit


Jacob Rees-Mogg has launched a stinging attack on Ireland and the European Union, accusing them of risking a “no deal” Brexit. The leading Brexiteer claims their suggestion that Northern Ireland should be in a common regulatory area with Brussels to avoid a hard border on the island is “absurd”.

I am getting confused, didn't Jackass previously demand a "No deal Brexit"?
Or was that just my imagination?
What he is really saying is " you bogtrotters have no right to oppose us and it shows extremely bad for on your part to think you can ape your betters"..
more succinctly put as "Taigs lie down "
 
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A lot of companies have to get ready for a no deal brexit on the 1st of April because they sell annual contracts (loans, insurance, mortgage etc) which risk to be invalid if the UK has no transitional deal by end of March next year. Lots of them are based in Gibraltar.
The EU has to state clearly what they can accept for the transition deal.
If China can have one country, two systems for HK, why can't the UK?
Your point about deadlines is very relevent its not only insurances but flight schedules wgich are set up a year in advance...
 

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the brexit negotiation could have been so much better conducted if the UK starts from the position where it wishes to remain in the SM and tries to win back more control on immigration, smaller budget contribution etc. Over time, the EU will have to distance itself from its federalists because a BRINO would make leaving much more palatable to other members.
 
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A lot of companies have to get ready for a no deal brexit on the 1st of April because they sell annual contracts (loans, insurance, mortgage etc) which risk to be invalid if the UK has no transitional deal by end of March next year. Lots of them are based in Gibraltar.
The EU has to state clearly what they can accept for the transition deal.
If China can have one country, two systems for HK, why can't the UK?
Or perhaps three or four, or more? :cool:
Why does the EU Have to state what they can accept beyond the position they have already outlined, surely we are the ones who are in need of compromising, not them.
Our mess, not theirs.
 
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Over time, the EU will have to distance itself from its federalists because a BRINO would make leaving much more palatable to other members.
Which is just what the EU is scared of so doesn't want to allow.
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