He's being kind in assuming Duplicity where it fact the correct word is Stupidity when referring to Boris.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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So a neologism just for the idiot - stuplicity.
Carillion isn't over yet and there is a good chance that the taxpayer will end up paying out lots of money once again for the failures of private enterprise. Worse, there may well be more to come as in this:
More of the story here:
The sharks are circling... there is also the £44.9m pension deficit to consider...
"In recent days, four hedge funds have increased their stakes in Interserve, with 7.52 per cent of its stock now shorted – meaning that investors are betting its share price will fall even further.
Carillion had 14 per cent of its stock shorted when it collapsed last month...
...Interserve, which provides security, probation, healthcare and construction services, cleans the London Underground and manages army barracks, has been in trouble since a profit warning in September...
...This weekend, the Sunday Telegraph claimed Interserve was struggling to put together debt refinancing to replace a £180million credit line due to run out at the end of March.
Interserve's banks include Lloyds, RBS, Barclays and HSBC – all of which are thought to have lost heavily from Carillion."
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5437559/Now-hedge-funds-target-Interserve-shares-slump-12.html
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More of the story here:
The sharks are circling... there is also the £44.9m pension deficit to consider...
"In recent days, four hedge funds have increased their stakes in Interserve, with 7.52 per cent of its stock now shorted – meaning that investors are betting its share price will fall even further.
Carillion had 14 per cent of its stock shorted when it collapsed last month...
...Interserve, which provides security, probation, healthcare and construction services, cleans the London Underground and manages army barracks, has been in trouble since a profit warning in September...
...This weekend, the Sunday Telegraph claimed Interserve was struggling to put together debt refinancing to replace a £180million credit line due to run out at the end of March.
Interserve's banks include Lloyds, RBS, Barclays and HSBC – all of which are thought to have lost heavily from Carillion."
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5437559/Now-hedge-funds-target-Interserve-shares-slump-12.html
Tom
In Trump's America, more and more people are questioning the wisdom of the President along with the extend to which the NRA has influence over government policy:
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Ah! but remember he promised to run into the School even if he had no gun at all!
And we all believe him of course....................Not
Has Tom written and edited Daily Mail today..
WTF is going on...the mail accusing folk of being Nazis and racists...how come its not been quoted on here yet ??
Apparently the chap who likes to be whipped whilst wearing Nazi uniforms ( or were the ladies wearing uniforms?) wrote a pamphlet in 1961 threatening to invade a police station...
Max Mosely is a racist and a Nazi supporter. Well I never. You wouldn't believe that would you..!! Apparently his dad danced with Hitler..or something like that....
Out of interest how does a bloke go from writing racist pamphlets to running F1 and donate £500k to labour party. I suppose there are similarities...I,ll ask Tom, he knows these things.
WTF is going on...the mail accusing folk of being Nazis and racists...how come its not been quoted on here yet ??
Apparently the chap who likes to be whipped whilst wearing Nazi uniforms ( or were the ladies wearing uniforms?) wrote a pamphlet in 1961 threatening to invade a police station...
Max Mosely is a racist and a Nazi supporter. Well I never. You wouldn't believe that would you..!! Apparently his dad danced with Hitler..or something like that....
Out of interest how does a bloke go from writing racist pamphlets to running F1 and donate £500k to labour party. I suppose there are similarities...I,ll ask Tom, he knows these things.
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While I agree with you about the silly comparison Boris Johnson made, your criticism of the congestion charge isn't justified. Not only has it reduced pollution and congestion, the outcomes should also be viewed in the context that traffic overall has increased by over 10% during the existence of the charge which the charge has been keeping in check.
Furthermore the zone enables other controls, for example the very recent restriction by a massive charge increase on older diesels which isn't showing in the figures yet, and this is to be extended further soon. In addition the forthcoming 2020 total ban on i.c. taxi operation on the worst polluted streets, it will be electric only then in those zones.
In summary the congestion charge zone should be viewed by what it will ultimately achieve and allowance made for the fact that not all measures can be instantly introduced.
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"You put Public investment in, take yours straight out,
In out, in out until the bill come out.
You do the Big Time swindle and pull your money just as it all goes up the spout!
A better method would be to have laid on sufficient alternative Park and ride from the outer city and banned traffic in the Congestion Zone except for electric buses and Taxis and electric and pedal powered four and two wheeled traffic.
After all I can recall a time when I started work, in Hull that the company I worked for had 1,000 plus bicycles in the sheds when we clocked in and the Md's Jag was the only car.
Even the Directors had a bike shed of their own.
Rush hour was like one of the Chinese Cities, and we had electric Trolley Buses carrying the mass of pedestrian traffic,as well as Diesel Buses and local trains too.
Only one person down our street had a car, and he was a Doctor.
Get the job done straight away instead of this half hearted effort that only partly works.
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Come now Zlatan, 1961 was a very long time ago when the guy was young, and the young do all kinds of silly things, including adopting political extremes. Tempered attitudes and realisation that there are shades of grey come with age.
And apart from anything else, racism was still very fashionable in the 1960s. For example Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech in 1968.
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I don't think its quite that simple Flecc. We are dealing with the problem locally, and yes within the designated area pollution will be reduced, but it will be years before we fully understand the global / overall picture. All those extra Lithium batteries, the pollution made to supply power is well away from the area in question so the tendency is to think its not happening...when it actually is. Its high time we viewed the problem on a bigger scale. These localised" success" stories make folk think we are reducing pollution. The simple fact is we are not, as a nation we are just starting. Globally the problem is getting worse and will continue to do so fir years. These localised " pollution" free zones are probably counter productive in the great scheme of things. We are burying our heads in sand ignoring the real problems of increased world wide pollutants. Just look at what's happening in China, India, Brazil, etc etc. They are seeing exponential growth in transport and industry with scant regard to limiting damage. In the mean time we think we are helping with schemes like these.
Impossible even now, let alone 14 years ago when the charge was introduced.
Where could thousands of electric buses be found then, they don't even exist now in a viable form that can cover the routes all day and night.
Electric taxis didn't exist 14 years ago and weren't even possible, we didn't even have electric cars then.
There is no space for park and ride around this 400 square mile city and replacing petrol cars with diesel buses wouldn't be entirely beneficial.
Your theories may seem attractive but are unachievable short term. The congestion charge was achieved and works extremely well, reducing traffic and pollution while adding substantially to the capital's revenues. It also has an increasingly useful future.
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I,m not judging MM Flecc, I,m pointing out the hypocrisy of Daily Mail and OT..
Daily Mail , as we have been reminded regularly, was to some extent sympathetic to Nazi cause pre
1935..
For certain posters to now not see the Mails ( hypocrisy / change of stance, you choose) is hypocritical in itself.
Missing the point by miles, we aren't trying to solve a global problem. We are just reducing our local congestion and pollution for our local benefit.
That's all, and it's working.
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there is a clear benefit to move the pollution relating to power generation and burning fossil fuels away from the high density urban areas.
This is confusing, what really went on?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/24/mosley.privacy
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/24/mosley.privacy
And now this
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Under oath at the High Court, Mr Mosley, who had been suing the News of the World for reporting his participation in what the newspaper alleged was a 'Nazi-themed' orgy, categorically denied such a leaflet existed. But the Mail has tracked down the hateful pamphlet in a historical archive. It states: 'Published by Max Mosley.'
It was written for a 1961 by-election at which Mr Mosley, the youngest son of Oswald Mosley, leader of the pre-war British Union of Fascists, was the agent for his father's post-war political party, the Union Movement (UM).
Now then who can explain this Dichotomy?
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The former F1 motorsport chief uses his millions to buy high-level political access and fund his pet crusade to muzzle Press freedoms – launched after the News of the World filmed him in the sadomasochistic orgy with five prostitutes.
Mr Mosley – via a family trust – is almost single-handedly bankrolling Impress, the controversial state-approved regulator of the Press that is shunned by every national newspaper. This has led to questions about Impress's independence.
And in the offensive Pamphlet the worst comment is attributed to none other than the Conservative Candidate "Mr Taylor"?
What does he mean by "Digest?"
And it doesn't even seem to be true as Mr Taylor is reported in Hansard in 1965 as being in favour of controlled immigration
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1965/jun/15/education-immigrant-children#S5CV0714P0_19650615_HOC_504
Here is the Pamphlet
Some of the leave campaign arguments aren't that far removed are they?
And of course the ultimate irony is the Daily Mail which has a dreadful track record of lies and support for fascists in the past, points the finger at a man who has an equally dubious past.
They want their Past to be forgotten and forgiven, but apparently regard anyone else as fair game.
Tom Watson it has to be said has some very interesting questions to answer about his choice of Friends, he must have know this sort of scandal would inevitably emerge at some point.
But to be frank the Press is badly in need of being made to conform to more truthful standards.
I said that. The local area is bound to be cleaner less congested. The pollution isn't stopped tho Flecc...irs moved elsewhere...upto one of our northern power stations ???
My point was, which you,ve chosen to ignore is that this type of scheme lulls many people into thinking progress is being made on the pollution front. It is not, far from it.
Its the " not in our backyard" syndrome. Fine for Londoners, in short term.
Its like taking grand kids to baths and thinking water is clean because you,ve told them not to pee in baths...Nobody has told the other 200 kids...
Our sea levels are rising, the polar ice caps are melting, the air quality world wide is getting measurably worse year on year, our seas are getting filled with plastic, reefs are dying world wide at an alarming rate and thousands of sea creatures are dying out year on year....but Londoners are ok and feel they have helped because they pay congestion charge and ride to work in electric taxis. Its the epitome off burying your head in the sand.
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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just accepting that all we can do locally is improve our local situation.
Getting all other areas and parts of the world to do the same is a political matter beyond our local control.
What I object to is the wholly negative attitude that criticises us for the positive contribution we are making.
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No. Infinitely better than any Brexit possibility.
We are doing something positive and it is having a positive and continuously growing benefit.
There is no possible justification for criticising that.
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