Your benefit fails to take into account the production/ replacement of Lithium batteries and the manufacture of all the required cars, not to mention the infra structure needed. Nobody has actually done a study on the entiresituation, just the easy CO2 ...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Oh , so Rotherham introducing congestion charge will actually help..??
Next time you drive along Thames Flecc have a look at those great big barriers holding out reality. Then ask yourself why they are needed and for how much longer they can keep out rising sea levels with local money raising schemes . Perhaps the money raised will be used to make Thames barrier larger.
We could introduce congestion charge in every City and Town throughout UK...would have zero affect on the real situation.
The scheme has worked, its made Londoners think they are helping cure pollution. Sadly I,m afraid they are not.
If we really wanted to tackle pollution, rising sea levels, destruction of oxygen supplying rain forests, destruction of reefs , we,d all be members of SAS or Green Peace and lobby to get national improvements made at a minimum of national level. As it is , in effect , nothing is being done . In reality its getting far far worse. The revolution we experienced in the 50's and 60's with regard to massive increases in pollutants is just starting in whole swathes of our planet. It will dwarf our efforts.
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Oh but there is! the principle of making the Public pay for something that does nothing more than paper over cracks rather than make drastic but necessary infrastructure changes.
Which will, in any case inevitably have to be paid for.
The logic as good as countering Rising Sea levels by ordering compulsory swimming lessons.
Completely irrelevant again. We in London are dealing with a London problem, not Rotherham's not China's, not anywhere else.
Again I say there is no possible justification for criticism of the positive actions we've taken and continue to take. That is especially true when the criticisms are such utterly irrelevant nonsense and ignore some of the greatest benefits of the congestion charge.
Fourteen years ago a commuting cyclist here was something of a rarity. Now there are almost two-thirds of a million daily cycle commuting journeys and a huge increase in all other London cycling too in consequence. Wouldn't Rotherham and all our other cities and very large towns benefit from this congestion charge outcome?
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Utter nonsense. We are making the infrastructure changes that are possible, but they can't appear in an instant and those that aren't possible we can't do of course.
And we aren't making the public pay the congestion charge and to say so shows ignorance of the situation. The public is being given these choices:
1) If they feel they must drive, buy an electric car, pay no congestion charge and even charge the battery for free while at work. Ergo, they are being paid, not forced to pay.
2) Use the ever improving public transport, London's bus fleet has doubled from 4500 to 9000 over that 14 years of the congestion charge.
3) And public transport again, our rail station platforms feeding the capital are all being lengthened so that the new trains we have these days can have more carriages. But of course that again takes time.
4) And public transport again, Crossrail 1 will open shortly vastly improving the east-west travel situation, with Crossrail 2 north-south proposed.
5) And running though my area we have the Tramlink network serving a trans South London route from West to East, electric mass transport now replacing all the buses that used to do this.
6) The DLR, docklands light railway bringing mass transport electric commuting to East London and the City
7) And the cycling option mentioned here, getting better all the time which is why hundreds of thousands have now adopted it.
Time for less negative "armchair expert" criticism and greater awareness of what we are proving can be done.
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"The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased at record speed last year to hit a level not seen for more than three million years, the UN has warned.
The new report has raised alarm among scientists and prompted calls for nations to consider more drastic emissions reductions at the upcoming climate negotiations in Bonn.
Rising sea levels directly correlate to increased levels of C02."
Quote from The Times. January 2018.
You are burying your head in the sand Flecc. Just because you are breathing cleaner air and have more cyclists is totally irrelevant. It might be better if nothing had been done and all you Londoners were campaigning for real change rather than feeling more secure in a false situation.
London,s improvements have done nothing towards helping national or world wide figures.
The ice caps are still melting, the sea is still warming up.( a third of sea rise is attributed to warmer water being a little larger) two thirds is from melt water...Yet here you are extolling the success of our Capitals pollution policies.??? Its exactly why situation is so terrible. People look at their own situation on their own timescale.
Exactly what has been proven to have been done and achieved ? Nothing has been achieved with regards to pollution.?? Where are any figures that show any kind of national improvement ???
The new report has raised alarm among scientists and prompted calls for nations to consider more drastic emissions reductions at the upcoming climate negotiations in Bonn.
Rising sea levels directly correlate to increased levels of C02."
Quote from The Times. January 2018.
You are burying your head in the sand Flecc. Just because you are breathing cleaner air and have more cyclists is totally irrelevant. It might be better if nothing had been done and all you Londoners were campaigning for real change rather than feeling more secure in a false situation.
London,s improvements have done nothing towards helping national or world wide figures.
The ice caps are still melting, the sea is still warming up.( a third of sea rise is attributed to warmer water being a little larger) two thirds is from melt water...Yet here you are extolling the success of our Capitals pollution policies.??? Its exactly why situation is so terrible. People look at their own situation on their own timescale.
Exactly what has been proven to have been done and achieved ? Nothing has been achieved with regards to pollution.?? Where are any figures that show any kind of national improvement ???
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Please stop with this nonsense Zlatan.
All actions are international, national or local.
We are doing our local bit and it's for others to do theirs, and by our well publicised actions we are drawing attention to what's needed.
National action is for national governments and international action for the UN. To use lack of action by them to criticise what we are doing in London is both childish and pointless. Focus your criticism on them, not on our efforts.
We in London are far from alone worldwide in our efforts and together we all make a real contribution. It's nowhere near enough at present, but by encouraging others to join in we can make the gains continuously increase.
Alternatively we can all do nothing as you and OG want and wait for others to act first.
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today's good read:
https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/968852221390671883/photo/1
Walkers unveils new Brexit range:
https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/968852221390671883/photo/1
Walkers unveils new Brexit range:
Perhaps it’s all part of a cunning plan. Maybe there’s a secret strategy document stashed in a Downing Street vault, codenamed Operation Wind-up. The classified text will reveal that the UK government’s negotiating tactic is to drive our fellow Europeans mad, to infuriate them through so many contradictions, contortions of logic and outright violations of previous agreements that they’ll end up reduced to a sobbing, gibbering mess, ready to concede to Theresa May whatever she wants, just to make the madness stop.
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Evan Davis suggested a national government with a soft brexit PM (Amber Rudd) until phase 2 negotiation is completed (October) then new GE.
https://twitter.com/EvanHD/status/968832070314352640
Is it just possible we would arrive at a soft Brexit national government? Labour, LDs, SNP etc plus soft-Brexit Tories stand behind a caretaker soft Brexit PM (Amber Rudd?) to negotiate Brexit and then to agree an election?
The fundamental problem is that majority opinion in the current Commons is arguably paralysing: a) it perhaps supports soft Brexit b) opposes an early election and c) doesn't support an alternative to a Tory PM. While in addition d) the plausible Tory PMs are for hard Brexit.
https://twitter.com/EvanHD/status/968832070314352640
Is it just possible we would arrive at a soft Brexit national government? Labour, LDs, SNP etc plus soft-Brexit Tories stand behind a caretaker soft Brexit PM (Amber Rudd?) to negotiate Brexit and then to agree an election?
The fundamental problem is that majority opinion in the current Commons is arguably paralysing: a) it perhaps supports soft Brexit b) opposes an early election and c) doesn't support an alternative to a Tory PM. While in addition d) the plausible Tory PMs are for hard Brexit.
on another note, Maplin called in the receivers, 2,500 staff working for them.
Maplin started in Southend in 1976.
Maplin started in Southend in 1976.
As a frequent visitor to the capital, I marvel at the way the people moving business works. My preferred method of getting about is by train into Liverpool St then my day travel card gets me around wherever I want to visit. With the senior railcard discount, much of the pain is taken away.
On odd occasions, I drive in and park up in the East India Dock multi-storey and pay whatever it costs - it works out very reasonably if car-sharing with others and the £11.odds I paid last time equated to about two and a half pints of beer in a tourist-magnet pub - I didn't drink that day as I was the designated driver!
All your points are well-made 'flecc' and for those who have never visited Canary Wharf and the Docklands Museum, I thoroughly recommend it. Canary Wharf station is awesome and with the Jubilee Line and the new Crossrail line both stopping there, the whole place really is a fantastic piece of civil engineering. TV coverage doesn't begin to cover the Canary Wharf experience and you really have to be there to fully understand the enormity of the whole project.
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Yes, and Toys 'r Us too. Both are due to the decline in high street retail in favour of online, but there is a Brexit relevance.
As Napoleon famously once said, we are a nation of shopkeepers and local retailing is a key part of our economy. At a time when it is in sharp decline is the worst possible time to be embarking on the uncertainty of Brexit.
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both seem to blame the drop in exchange rate of the GBP.
The real reasons are probably brick and mortar, google, ebay direct from China, amazon, CPC farnell etc. Both companies have too many premises and employ large numbers of shop assistants.
In my working life I usually spent Tuesday and Wednesday driving around the Capital and much of my time at Canary Wharf as it was being built.
In fact my favourite view of the Capital is indeed of Canary wharf, Wednesdays, late in the day on my way home.
The worst smell during the summer months didn't seem to be the traffic, so much as the miasma from the Drains.
Nice people, but an awful place to live.
Indeed. Maplin were born at a time when electronics was a widespread home build hobby and the Hi-Fi craze was at it's peak. It was relevant in the 1970s and 1980s, but by the late 1990s the cracks were showing as they increasingly relied on manufactured electronics sales.
I don't think they have a place in today's high street/retail park world, and without a recognisable online identity or USP I see them disappearing altogether.
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I didn't suggest London do nothing, far from it ! i suggested it did he RIGHT thing, not con money from the people for a slight improvement (but a nice little earner)
The only way is to ban internal combustion engines when all is said and done.
The huge super sewer construction project is progressing well and that will bring major benefits in this respect. We've been too long relying on Basiljet's Victorian sewerage solution.
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Agreed! not so bad in Winter, but June and onwards, if we had a dry spell