I'll hazard a guess.
The Uniforms are more expensive? and we foot the bill for our lot.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The Uniforms are more expensive? and we foot the bill for our lot.
The Trade Bill....wonder whether the DUP will vote against the government and vote for a customs union....it will be very tempting to ensure no hard border in Ireland,
That will make all this talk of divergence a load of rubbish.
Rees-Mogg better pack away the hunting pink,hehe.
Corbyn has played it quite clever....as Napoleon said ‘I don’t interfere when my enemies are making mistakes.
Vote of confidence in May coming up.
KudosDave
That will make all this talk of divergence a load of rubbish.
Rees-Mogg better pack away the hunting pink,hehe.
Corbyn has played it quite clever....as Napoleon said ‘I don’t interfere when my enemies are making mistakes.
Vote of confidence in May coming up.
KudosDave
Liam Fox was even worse than useless this morning...Marr told him that Starmer was much more impressive and gave some sort of answers.
The US and China will have no trouble dealing with Fox,they will take him to pieces,useless twat that he is.
KudosDave
the DUP will likely vote with the government.
They are the conservatives in NI.
their reasoning is the EU will be bankrupt without our money, give in to our demand and give us a trade deal exactly like we asked so there won't be any need for a hard border.
Is Liam Fox so conceited as to believe beyond all possible doubt that his strings have never been pulled by agents of foreign powers and others who do not have the best interests of the UK population as their first priority?
That was a rhetorical question, but I find it hard to avoid answering it: Yes, he is.
The game has changed - 'VoxPolitical' has a view and you can reach it here:
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/02/25/this-isnt-the-brexit-i-voted-for-we-need-a-second-referendum-now-the-independent/
Tom
Wonder whether TM will now have an ‘original idea’ and tell us all that we are going to stay in the customs union by way of a free trade deal and that we are also going to be able to do trade deals with the rest of the world.
But as Tusk said it’s an illusion.
The trouble is I think May/Gove and Boris think that ‘cake and eat it’ will be forthcoming from the EU,because they won’t tariffs on their goods into the uK,I think they will call TM’s bluff and let her crash out in March 2019....we are no where near ready and the result would be awful.
It is much too late to start building customs posts,just don’t know what will happen at the ports and borders.
Still the Brexiters will be happy.
KudosDave
But as Tusk said it’s an illusion.
The trouble is I think May/Gove and Boris think that ‘cake and eat it’ will be forthcoming from the EU,because they won’t tariffs on their goods into the uK,I think they will call TM’s bluff and let her crash out in March 2019....we are no where near ready and the result would be awful.
It is much too late to start building customs posts,just don’t know what will happen at the ports and borders.
Still the Brexiters will be happy.
KudosDave
A reader's comment in the Independent caught my eye.
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BrexitforDummies
10 hours ago
The Government has no idea what it’s doing which is why they consulted the electorate who don’t know what they’re talking about, the result being that the will of those who don’t know what they’re talking about must be respected by those who don’t know what they’re doing.
The leader of the Opposition apparently knows what he’s doing which includes not opposing those who don’t know what they’re doing. A non-legally binding statement of intent that is legally binding but is not agreed until everything is agreed has recently been agreed.
The Government is therefore satisfied that it’s well on the way to securing the best possible deal which could be no deal as that would be better than a bad deal although any such deal will be worse than the current deal and will probably cost about £50bn.
However, this will allow the Government to then secure its own deals in order to replicate most of the existing deals that we derive from the current deal as well as securing better deals from a worse position.
Well that seems clear enough! What a relief!
Truly it's a case of, as the old saying goes
"Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind ...
I recommend a bout of Hysterical laughter, in fact I'm having one now!
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BrexitforDummies
10 hours ago
The Government has no idea what it’s doing which is why they consulted the electorate who don’t know what they’re talking about, the result being that the will of those who don’t know what they’re talking about must be respected by those who don’t know what they’re doing.
The leader of the Opposition apparently knows what he’s doing which includes not opposing those who don’t know what they’re doing. A non-legally binding statement of intent that is legally binding but is not agreed until everything is agreed has recently been agreed.
The Government is therefore satisfied that it’s well on the way to securing the best possible deal which could be no deal as that would be better than a bad deal although any such deal will be worse than the current deal and will probably cost about £50bn.
However, this will allow the Government to then secure its own deals in order to replicate most of the existing deals that we derive from the current deal as well as securing better deals from a worse position.
Well that seems clear enough! What a relief!
Truly it's a case of, as the old saying goes
"Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind ...
I recommend a bout of Hysterical laughter, in fact I'm having one now!
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Spike Milligan was in many ways a Prophet, he saw this Government coming!
Way to go, spike!
Way to go, spike!
JC coming off the fence in favour of CU boosts the Pound a fair bit this morning.
What kind of boost would the pound get if the uk government said .. let's try and stay in the EU?
I am watching JC's speech now, and can say that he has sold his vision to me.
Dare I say, to the market too.
Dare I say, to the market too.
Mmm. I listened aswell and to some Labour representative mixing Jeremy Vine up...that positive gradient graph must be coincidence... There is only one group of people more mixed up over Brexit than May's government....and that's Labour's..I am watching JC's speech now, and can say that he has sold his vision to me.
Dare I say, to the market too.
As I see it JC wants to stay in CU...but not this one but a new CU..not sure which CU...A CU that needs tariff free trade which with us out is simply not going to happen.Its posturing by Corbyn...again. He,s trying to appease everyone( Especially Starmer).. He cant, he,s just wriggling about on the fence..
WTF is going on. Why cant labour just say no we aren't leaving. If they get in power we dont..
Welcome back! you did nearly as well this time as one of Lord Nigel's retirements
More importantly are you feeling better than you did with those health problems?
I do believe we now have an accurate description of the Moral of Brexit at last
Brexit=the will of those who don’t know what they’re talking about must be respected by those who don’t know what they’re doing.
And of late we have had the most damaging Fifth Column European Research Group
described as follows in Wikipedia
"The European Research Group (ERG) is a part publicly funded, single issue, research support group for the United Kingdom's Conservative Party. It is an IPSA-funded pooled service within the formal IPSA Scheme of MPs' Business Costs and Expenses. Serving an annual average of 21 MPs[1] including cabinet members, the group's focus is the single issue of the UK's withdrawal from the European Union. In January 2018 Jacob Rees-Mogg was elected as the group's chairman, taking over from Suella Fernandes.
Hand on a minute! why is my money, and yours being used against my interests by these villains?
And why should 21 Mps try to determine the Fate of the country by subversion of the elected Party? who gave them a mandate to do this?
It beggars belief that these people would engage, or support trying to make out that Corbyn is an enemy of the people and not see that that is exactly a description of themselves
This farce has played out long enough.
Why doesn't some one in the HOC menagerie say the unthinkable
No, we are not leaving the EU it isn't a viable idea.
I'll tell you why.
We haven't actually got a government at all , we've got a Punch and Judy Show and some of the strings on the puppets have gone slack.
And the so called opposition are no better.
Brexit=the will of those who don’t know what they’re talking about must be respected by those who don’t know what they’re doing.
And of late we have had the most damaging Fifth Column European Research Group
described as follows in Wikipedia
"The European Research Group (ERG) is a part publicly funded, single issue, research support group for the United Kingdom's Conservative Party. It is an IPSA-funded pooled service within the formal IPSA Scheme of MPs' Business Costs and Expenses. Serving an annual average of 21 MPs[1] including cabinet members, the group's focus is the single issue of the UK's withdrawal from the European Union. In January 2018 Jacob Rees-Mogg was elected as the group's chairman, taking over from Suella Fernandes.
Hand on a minute! why is my money, and yours being used against my interests by these villains?
And why should 21 Mps try to determine the Fate of the country by subversion of the elected Party? who gave them a mandate to do this?
It beggars belief that these people would engage, or support trying to make out that Corbyn is an enemy of the people and not see that that is exactly a description of themselves
This farce has played out long enough.
Why doesn't some one in the HOC menagerie say the unthinkable
No, we are not leaving the EU it isn't a viable idea.
I'll tell you why.
We haven't actually got a government at all , we've got a Punch and Judy Show and some of the strings on the puppets have gone slack.
And the so called opposition are no better.
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There was an interesting exchange of views between articles written in the Telegraph ie the
. British paper not NI paper and the irish times columnist Fintan o 'Toole. .. as you may have picked there is a campaign in the uk to consider the GFA as being a local little arrangement which was designed to get the DUP/ UV/ UVF and SF / IRA talking and that it has now run its course and can be quitely dropped as it interferes with a vision of brexit.
The Tory grandee writing the article made 3 or 4 major fundamental errors in his analysis. I bring this to your attention because it will not be the last time it will be flagged up.
1. The agreement was between two governments .. not between the parties
2. THE DUP was not even at the talks. They refused to engage and it was the UUP.. the older ulster unionist party who represented that side. There were a lot of other interested parties including womens groups
3. The agreement was overwhelmingly ratified by a plebisite on both sides of the border. It needed to be as on the RoI side it required a change to our constitution
4. The final agreement has been registered with the UN effectively as a binding treaty. If the uk were to reneage on it what credibility would it have with any country on trade deals. ?
. British paper not NI paper and the irish times columnist Fintan o 'Toole. .. as you may have picked there is a campaign in the uk to consider the GFA as being a local little arrangement which was designed to get the DUP/ UV/ UVF and SF / IRA talking and that it has now run its course and can be quitely dropped as it interferes with a vision of brexit.
The Tory grandee writing the article made 3 or 4 major fundamental errors in his analysis. I bring this to your attention because it will not be the last time it will be flagged up.
1. The agreement was between two governments .. not between the parties
2. THE DUP was not even at the talks. They refused to engage and it was the UUP.. the older ulster unionist party who represented that side. There were a lot of other interested parties including womens groups
3. The agreement was overwhelmingly ratified by a plebisite on both sides of the border. It needed to be as on the RoI side it required a change to our constitution
4. The final agreement has been registered with the UN effectively as a binding treaty. If the uk were to reneage on it what credibility would it have with any country on trade deals. ?
It can happen as Jeremy Corbyn explained, by us conceding that we can only reach external trade deals within the EU's requirements for such deals. Shades of non-EU member Turkey, they already have a bespoke customs union with the EU thus demonstrating that it is possible for us to have one too on the outside. His position completely solves the Irish border problem at a stroke.
It's a far more realistic position than Theresa May's, who is believing in the completely impossible, no CU, no SM and yet an open Irish border and no effect on trade between the EU and UK. That is what will never happen.
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