But Thatcher had the immense benefit of North Sea oil and gas during all the peak years of production. I'd say her benefit was far greater than the post war damaged colonial one that Attlee had.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Here is link to the Natonal Archives if anyone would care to examine the "official" version of reality about the Cabinet's view of changing world affairs
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/browse-by-theme.htm?WT.ac=View all themes
There is an iteresting item here
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/taxation-after-second-world-war.htm#Labour and the redistribution of wealth
Some interesting ideas such as
"Following Labour's election victory in 1945, the Chancellor, Hugh Dalton, sought to use differential profits taxation to stimulate production. His aim was to impose a higher rate of taxation on profits distributed to shareholders than on those retained for investment.
And this on wages and industrial output
http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-129-24-cp-38.pdf
The principle of limiting excessive pay rises would not be welcomed by our managerial or Banking classes would it?
But it's time must surely come, as must curbing excessive payouts to the shareholding class.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/browse-by-theme.htm?WT.ac=View all themes
There is an iteresting item here
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/themes/taxation-after-second-world-war.htm#Labour and the redistribution of wealth
Some interesting ideas such as
"Following Labour's election victory in 1945, the Chancellor, Hugh Dalton, sought to use differential profits taxation to stimulate production. His aim was to impose a higher rate of taxation on profits distributed to shareholders than on those retained for investment.
And this on wages and industrial output
http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-129-24-cp-38.pdf
The principle of limiting excessive pay rises would not be welcomed by our managerial or Banking classes would it?
But it's time must surely come, as must curbing excessive payouts to the shareholding class.
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The Attlee government started life heavily indebted to the USA and others because of the lend-lease arrangement set up during WW2. That they managed to set aside enough to begin the commencement of instalments in 1950, while rebuilding the war-damaged country, is a credit to their husbandry of the nation's financial resources at the exchequer.
The Labour Party's record on financial prudence is excellent; the repeated stories from the tory liars to the contrary being the stuff of myth.
The UK was not free from war debts until 2006 so it is difficult to make a case for an austerity programme in 2010, affecting only the working class unless it is a political choice born out of lies.
Here is a reminder of the end of lend-lease payments and a stark reminder that our 'special relationship' wasn't really all that special since they made us pay every penny of that money!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/britain-pays-off-final-instalment-of-us-loan-after-61-years-430118.html
Tom
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more problems coming home to roost.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/102621/vehicle-certification-agency-to-lose-powers-after-brexit
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/102621/vehicle-certification-agency-to-lose-powers-after-brexit
Ouch indeed, this is going to hurt.
As I've posted previously, I'm quite sure an eventual outcome of Brexit, no matter how soft or hard, will be the departure of the motor manufacturers to the EU. They won't entertain a continuous additional cost on every car to produce it in the UK. There would be no point, better to make them over there and make the minority of British motorists pay more to buy one.
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agreed, and it won't just be motor brands. I know of many companies that have their HQ's in the UK simply to access the single market. It won't make any financial / business sense to stay in the UK. They will all have their HQ's inside the Single Market and export from there back into the UK. The only people who will suffer will be UK consumers... ie ALL OF US.
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And how often do we hear Brexiteers raise their voices to cry "we knew what we were doing when we voted to leave?"
Not only was that a lie then, we still have only an inkling of the true scale and complexity of the disaster the Referendum result will cause.
There is a real interesting conundrum flagged up in the Irish website today. Irish post
An American, married to a woman from Derry ..or Londonderry (so as not to offend Tommie) was refused automatic visa of the UK. This was on the grounds that his wife was British, although she had never referred to herself as such,and held as she was entitled to, an Irish passport. She appealed this to a court in Belfast who aßerted and recognised her right a a EU citizen and under the GF agreement. So her husband is entitled to a uk visa and residence. The British home office appealed this and have been told in no uncertain terms that they are wrong, there was no error in law.
Will we see a full 1.5 million NI resident holders of Irish passports soon, as they are blessed twice over being eu and British at both and the same time, with the rights of both!.
An American, married to a woman from Derry ..or Londonderry (so as not to offend Tommie) was refused automatic visa of the UK. This was on the grounds that his wife was British, although she had never referred to herself as such,and held as she was entitled to, an Irish passport. She appealed this to a court in Belfast who aßerted and recognised her right a a EU citizen and under the GF agreement. So her husband is entitled to a uk visa and residence. The British home office appealed this and have been told in no uncertain terms that they are wrong, there was no error in law.
Will we see a full 1.5 million NI resident holders of Irish passports soon, as they are blessed twice over being eu and British at both and the same time, with the rights of both!.
surely.....this cloud is supposed to be a net benefit to the UK as whole, that's why the Government is doing it.
if its just a "silver lining" then its not going to be a net benefit and therefore shouldn't be done, just because it happened to be a popular dream one day in June 2016.
We won't have to look far to find it, but I fear we'll take a long time doing it.
The silver lining will be eventually rejoining the EU.
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Said Noah.... and we know what supposedly happened next
I think this particular cloud is a harbinger of the storm to come.
I'm reminded of my mum, bless her soul, who invariably put her nationality down on any official forms requiring it, as 'Ulster Scot'. When I once challenged her about that, in the sure knowledge that her answer wasn't a recognised nationality, she rebuked me, saying, 'It's my nationality - born Irish but resident in Scotland!'
Tom
Wasn't she precident?. Now Ulster Scot is a particularly valuable ethnic group. In NI they have even invented their own dielect!
She was more right than our government who think there is a British nationality when there isn't.
England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are nations, so their peoples have those nationalities.
Britain, Great Britain and the UK are federations of countries. If there truly was a British nationality, there would also be Great British and United Kingdomish nationalities.
The whole status of the parts of the United Kingdom has long been a mess, and the more the government try to clarify, the worse it gets as they tie themselves into knots.
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Which brought back a memory from long ago when I first went on the road and encountered the Welsh road signs which defied my ability to read them, so I rang the customer who brightly replied "Just look for the "Amlock" road signs.
Eventually I found her address and she said "Couldn't you read the road signs? they're written in English?"
"Madam I replied the signs I could find made no sense to me, I'm not English, I'm from Yorkshire!"
She started laughing and replied "Oh you're from there are you?"
The Road sign she explained for "Amlock" was actually "AMLWCH"
I was amazed and offered this insight. " Oh Dear, I don't think you can expect a Yorkshireman to get his tongue round fancy names like that!"
This so cheered her up it was tea and cake after that.
"I can't wait to tell everyone what you said" she kept chuckling .
£1billion seems to ensure the status quo remains, indeed the PM has dashed across to NI on hearing the little bit of progress that rumour informs us has occurred, so she can grab some political kudos if the Stormont government should be re-established. One of many acts by May born out of political expediency.
Tom
