Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

More from the Indy
"
Ministers admit almost 65 existing trade deals with non-EU countries are ‘at risk because of Brexit’
UK is seeking to be treated legally as a 'member state' during the transition period – to keep the benefits of existing treaties
Ministers have admitted for the first time that about 65 existing trade deals with non-EU countries are at risk because of Brexit, it has been claimed.

The Government has previously argued the benefits will not be lost because those other countries have agreed to “roll over” the agreements when Britain leaves the EU.

But a new technical note has now revealed that the UK is seeking to be treated legally as a “member state” during the transition period – in order to maintain the trade deals."

Apathy rules (So what) will be the Brexit camp response

 

[oldgroaner]

the Telegraph have an odd perspective
"
Michel Barnier is risking a UK walkout, EU states fear "

Fear? do they really expect that the EU Fear that?
Nonsense!

 

[oldgroaner]

Why we are heading for trouble in the Streets
From the independent
"
Brexit: Official document raises prospect of tampering with workers' rights to boost economy
Exclusive: Government paper sets out how protections for employees is an area in which ministers can 'maximise opportunities' after withdrawal
Government officials have raised the prospect that hard-won workers’ rights could be reviewed by the Government after Brexit to boost Britain’s economy.

A Whitehall impact assessment singles out workers’ protections – such as preventing people from being forced to work too many hours – as an area that might be used for “maximising regulatory opportunities” after withdrawal.

MPs who have seen the document claimed it shows ministers are considering weakening employment rights post-Brexit – with one branding the paper an “absolute disgrace”.

When people voted for Brexit this wasn't something they wanted, was it?

 

[oyster]

When people voted for Brexit this wasn't something they wanted, was it?

Probably depends on who you ask, and about whom.

Many seem perfectly content for junior doctors to work massively extended hours in order to reduce casualty waiting times. (After all, did the reduction in their hours cause 99% of all known NHS problems?) Probably also happy enough at the treatment of gig-economy "self-employed" and zero-hours. Very likely much less happy if their own hours increase.

 

[oldgroaner]

Probably depends on who you ask, and about whom.

Many seem perfectly content for junior doctors to work massively extended hours in order to reduce casualty waiting times. (After all, did the reduction in their hours cause 99% of all known NHS problems?) Probably also happy enough at the treatment of gig-economy "self-employed" and zero-hours. Very likely much less happy if their own hours increase.

It's the Conservative way, after all!
They encourage self sacrifice but exclude themselves.

 

[oldtom]

If a tory government still holds power after 'Brexit', there will be an awful lot of very disenchanted people around the UK looking to blame someone for their new-found disenfranchisement and reduction from the 'JAM' status of the class of working poor to that of impoverished benefit cases.



Tom

 

[oldtom]

Everyone should remember this - the tories most certainly won't forget it and they will find another way to attack the working class:



Tom

 

[oyster]

Everyone should remember this

And they will remember how much they saved by these unlawful fees: both in the costs of courts and the companies that didn't have to comply with the laws regarding employment or pay out when they didn't. A big incentive to exhume it it - no matter how stinking it is.

 

[flecc]

It's the Conservative way, after all!
They encourage self sacrifice but exclude themselves.

They say that's for the greater good.

They're usually fatter you see.
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[Kudoscycles]

Theresa May will keep repeating the boring ‘ we are going to get a free trade deal with the EU’ She is clearly relying on this to overcome all the Brexit problems including the NI problem,which is why she says we are leaving the customs union and single market.
But the EU have said that we cannot rely on getting such a deal.
I suspect that May will achieve a deal with the EU but it will have many clauses that restrict the U.K. from doing anything that adversely affects the EU,but this will be packaged in such a way that Brexiteers can claim a success.
KudosDave

 

[Danidl]

Theresa May will keep repeating the boring ‘ we are going to get a free trade deal with the EU’ She is clearly relying on this to overcome all the Brexit problems including the NI problem,which is why she says we are leaving the customs union and single market.
But the EU have said that we cannot rely on getting such a deal.
I suspect that May will achieve a deal with the EU but it will have many clauses that restrict the U.K. from doing anything that adversely affects the EU,but this will be packaged in such a way that Brexiteers can claim a success.
KudosDave

Well that would be the best of a bad lot. Not as good as staying in mind....

 

[oyster]

They're usually fatter you see.

That's one basis on which I should be a natural tory... :-(

 

[flecc]

That's one basis on which I should be a natural tory... :-(

That's only the exception that proves the rule. After all, inside Theresa May is a fat woman struggling to get out.
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[Kudoscycles]

At the end of this month the Brexit trade vote goes through the commons,there are amendments that will force the government to stay in the customs union but not the single market.
This is the best opportunity to force some common sense into this government.
I think staying in the customs union will keep us in the EU without tariffs,the NI problem is solved,I think we keep the 65 trade deals that the EU has already achieved,we won’t be able to strike out to do our own trade deals so Liam Fox won’t have a job....don’t see any downsides.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

I think staying in the customs union will keep us in the EU without tariffs,the NI problem is solved,I think we keep the 65 trade deals that the EU has already achieved,we won’t be able to strike out to do our own trade deals so Liam Fox won’t have a job....don’t see any downsides.

Only this downside:

 

[Zlatan]

Brexit affects are proving far and wide...The Asian financial markets have suffered a mini collapse this morning...Entire region is suffering... By the way same markets have recently introduced crippling taxes on luxury none local cars. Hard luck Audi etal. Jaguar being Indian will be unaffected...

 

[oldgroaner]

There is an interesting article in the Independent about Agency worker useo on Zero Hours Contracts.
There has been a 40% increase in their use in the last 10 years.

A reader's comment sums it up quite well
"
Chris Edwards
2 days ago
So why don´t these ZHC jobs include Taxes, NHS and Pensions? ZHC is basically banned in the EU, simply because the State ends up paying benefits to those who have ZHC jobs as their only income.
There is a minimum wage in nearly all EU Countries but in Germany this low wage does include tax, `NHS´, Pensions and holiday pay, about 12% of the minimum wage covers these charges that go into the Government´s coffers.
In Japan, 60% of the workforce are on ZHC and GiG, their wages have no taxes either, so, you work for 40 years on ZHC and Gig and have no pension, no savings and still living with your parents at 60 years of age, is this the future for the UK after Brexit?
Just add Tax, Pension and NHS payments to ZHC and the problem is not palmed off to the taxpayers to pay for the wages of Dyson and his robbing band of billionaires!
Cutting benefits for the needy is cowardice, get those paying ZHC to also fill the Benefit system´s coffers!
It´s not rocket science but it is against the wishes of Tory Donors and parasitic employers!"

Yes indeed this is the Future after Brexit! it has two main aims

1. Protect the Off shore money racket
2. Exploit the Workforce.

This is not what the Public voted for is it?

 

[anotherkiwi]

France is often criticized for having up to 10% unemployment, we don't have jobs without worker protection though. So the difference between 4% "full employment" and 10% unemployment has been identified in studies as the absence of those jobs that don't pay the minimum wage.

 

[oldtom]

The difference between socialism and rampant, exploitative capitalism is patent in this infographic:



Now, remembering the date that Attlee's government came to office and remembering also the state of the German economy at that time, look at how things are today in the UK compared with the German economy at this time.

This video clip describes how the German government treats their people in the 21st century - compare their actions with those of the UK government:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1706476309373498

Tom

 

[Danidl]

The difference between socialism and rampant, exploitative capitalism is patent in this infographic:

View attachment 23366

Now, remembering the date that Attlee's government came to office and remembering also the state of the German economy at that time, look at how things are today in the UK compared with the German economy at this time.

This video clip describes how the German government treats their people in the 21st century - compare their actions with those of the UK government:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1706476309373498

Tom

Tom, I don't want to make a fuss , but in truth there was a difference. Attlee's tenure did occur after the war, during a period when I was just a gleam in someone's eye, . Thatchers tenure I well remember.
The fundemental difference is that the cold wind of loss of empire did not occur for another decade, so there was the prospects of revenue from india, southern Africa, the gulf states etc.These had all evaporated by Thatchers time.
None of this is by way of an excuse....