Brexit, for once some facts.

Kudoscycles

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Just liked this quote from Chris Patten...
Britain, with all its shiny new forthcoming sovereignty, clearly needs to work on taking responsibility for its decisions. After all, to quote former British EU Commissioner Chris Patten, “A man, naked, hungry and alone in the middle of the Sahara Desert is free in the sense that no one can tell him what to do. He is sovereign, then. But he is also doomed.”

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MikelBikel

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Migrant workers from Indonesia and the Philippines are not allowed to join CPF and anyway dont earn enough to contribute....there are 150,000 migrant workers earning less than $1 per hour.
KudosDave
I remember Ca-moron-s wheeze of people working for nothing to keep their benefits.
To which a comedian replied:
"Torys ideas, eh? Imagine working in a shop where everything is worth a pound,....except you!"
 

tillson

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I remember Ca-moron-s wheeze of people working for nothing to keep their benefits.
To which a comedian replied:
"Torys ideas, eh? Imagine working in a shop where everything is worth a pound,....except you!"
Cameron screwed that idea by making people work in businesses. It would have been better to ask people to work on community type projects & initiatives which improve the local area. I can’t see what’s wrong with that.
 

MikelBikel

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Busy day, what?
So Barnier huffing & puffing "UK cannot cherry pick best bits for Exit agreement". Excludes (Financial) Services Industry, the 80% of the economy, eh? "Hard Border if not in Market & Customs", despite also insisting "No Hard Border"
Bbc

"May to sign Trade Agreements during the Transition Period".
IrishTimes.ie
"Turkey could be filled with chemicals if UK signs post Brexit deal with US".
TheJournal.ie
Use of 4 different EU banned disinfectants on poultry, fish and vegetables is on cards if "UK must ditch EU food standards to get trade deal says US trade secretary".

Ooerr, still all to play for then.
Mikel
 
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oldgroaner

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What a surprise! From the Telegraph
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HMS Queen Elizabeth, Britain's new £3.1bn aircraft carrier, has a leak"

Only a prop shaft leak.....
 
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SHAN

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The Daily Mail........now, even the fish have had enough!

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Tom
The M#¥L, the €xpress, and the G#ardian to name but three are quick to blame MP's from both sides of "the house", traitors, for not agreeing with their agenda. As we are always reminded, our sovereign isle is a democracy, these rags are the traitors, and they should report news not the trickle down opinions of their editors/owners.
 
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SHAN

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What a surprise! From the Telegraph
"
HMS Queen Elizabeth, Britain's new £3.1bn aircraft carrier, has a leak"

Only a prop shaft leak.....
Apparently 200 litres per hour, approximately 45gallons, which a small water pump will move in less than five minutes. Hardly worth the shock horror press coverage. According to the Daily Excess its sinking. Which just shows how up to speed they are on understanding volume and accurate reporting.
 

oldgroaner

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From the Express
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'No special Brexit deal for London' EU's Barnier blasts in major blow to Theresa May

Michel Barnier announced he was not open to a free trade agreement including financial services.

He said: “There is no place for financial services. There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It does not exist."

He described the position as a result of "the red lines that the British have chosen themselves”.


He added: "In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport."

Mr Barnier made clear that the EU will respond firmly to any deviation from the framework of single market regulations which might give the UK a competitive advantage through lower taxes or weaker standards.

An example of the uncomprehending attitude of some Brexit Voters is shown here.
"Keith Goodall
Well it's as clear as day their is no deal worth 40 billion; we either bend over and get ramrodded or we tell the EU a few home truths and leave lock stock and barrel on the last day of march 2018"

And just what does he imagine is going to happen if we do?
Clearly this reader has not understood anything about the the situation we will find ourselves in, he is just as ill informed as he was when he voted for Brexit.

 
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oldgroaner

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Apparently 200 litres per hour, approximately 45gallons, which a small water pump will move in less than five minutes. Hardly worth the shock horror press coverage. According to the Daily Excess its sinking. Which just shows how up to speed they are on understanding volume and accurate reporting.
Which makes you wonder what the Agenda of the paper is?
 
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oldgroaner

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From the Independent
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How would the EU referendum have gone if the NHS Brexit bus had replaced that infamous pledge of £350m extra a week with the truth? Perhaps with something like: The EU Guarantees Holidays and Rights At Work. Let’s Work Longer Hours And Scrap Time Off. Let’s Take Back Control.

It’s an interesting thought experiment to conduct in the wake of reports that Environment Secretary Michael Gove, who stood in front of that bus and then tried to weasel his way out of its lie when challenged on it by Labour’s Wes Streeting in the House of Commons, is pushing for the scrapping of the EU’s Working Time Directive at today’s crunch Brexit cabinet meeting.

The headlines in newspapers friendly to him billed this as offering workers the opportunity to do more overtime and get paid more. Indeed, a “source” told The Sun on Sunday that the move would “put back the power to decide how hard to work into the hands of the people who matter – the ordinary British worker”.

Which of our resident rBrexit voters would care to comment of this obvious repression of workers ,and incidentally , was this what is meant by "The Goodness will flow?" and "The obvious benefits of Brexit?"
 

Woosh

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Michel Barnier announced he was not open to a free trade agreement including financial services.
The EU holds all the cards for a few years but I doubt that he'll hold this line for very long.
 

oldtom

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As we are always reminded, our sovereign isle is a democracy
If only that were true, 'Shan'!

Unfortunately, the monarchical democracy in which we exist, so often trumpeted by the kind of propaganda rags you mentioned, is a sham; a figment of the imagination just like Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

The de facto situation is that democracy has been so corrupted in the UK by the rich and powerful that what we are told is democracy is, in reality, oligarchy or plutocracy, more accurately a combination of both.

The referendum of 2016 could hardly be described as a democratic process based on one man - one vote, as so many exclusions meant the electorate became a selected audience. Moreover, the adjustments to constituency boundaries over the years have created a lopsided demographic of public opinion, favouring the tory party. Any democratic system that permits a situation where the tail wags the dog such as we have witnessed with the political wing of the Orange Order and assorted, loyalist terror groups in NI receiving special, extraordinary financial inducements to keep the tories in power, is no democracy at all.

When the rich and powerful utilise corruption and their influence through their propaganda channels to ensure their hold on power continues, the kind of government we see today becomes almost inevitable and is no different from the American gangster days when the mafia ruled over all the big cities, paying off officials and offering protection at a price to ensure they got exactly what they wanted.

It has been going on since WW2 in the UK and you may remember Joe Gormley for one and Neil Kinnock as another who were bought and paid for by the rich and powerful, becoming traitors to the very people they purported to represent. In the same way, 'New Labour' was born and that became every bit as damaging as tory rule, indeed one indistinguishable from the other.

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SHAN

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The EU, (thankfully) succeeded where unions failed.

"Ministers including Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are plotting to scrap the working time directive, according to numerous media reports. This is a crucial piece of EU law that protects working people – and which working people were promised would still apply after Brexit.

If Johnson and Gove succeed, 7 million workers could lose their guaranteed legal right to paid holidays. That includes nearly 5 million women and many workers on part-time and zero-hours contracts.

Stripped of the laws that restrain them, bad bosses could force their staff to work excessive hours, far above the current limit of 48 hours a week. Lunch and rest breaks would be under threat too, as would health and safety protections for night workers."
 

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