Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

And we wonder why the NHS is in trouble, is there any chance you could concentrate on the patients or if that's not your job please stop posting while you are pushing the trolley

Does he have your permission to breathe, Brendan? and just who are you to make sarcastic judgements like that?
Do attempt to make an effort to post with less arrogance if at all possible.
Tell me who just posted this/
"why start your post with the inflammatory phrase"

 

[BrendanJ]

I completely agree with your latest sentiment
And since I have told the truth without varying from it, who are you referring to as "if not an honest one."
Is that a confession by any chance?

Your truth, Ie opinion and bias, we all have it so why not at least accept that as a possibility

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

So if it was an intelligent point you were trying to make, which is what I read into the article ( even though it was anti Brexit) why start your post with the inflammatory phrase
Essentially if you voted leave, you've been played
This is the kind of post that turns this thread into school ground arguement

I actually ended my post with the phrase, because its simply a fact, as pointed out by the people who led and funded the campaign.

However I clearly acknowledge the remain campaign had its flaws, which is which is why I have said since day 1 that this shouldn't have been put to a public vote. Its above our pay grade.

 

[oldgroaner]

Your truth, Ie opinion and bias, we all have it so why not at least accept that as a possibility

I regard it as more than likely, never mind a possibility.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Does he have your permission to breathe, Brendan? and just who are you to make sarcastic judgements like that?
Do attempt to make an effort to post with less arrogance if at all possible.
Tell me who just posted this/
"why start your post with the inflammatory phrase"

Hypocrit....tto the extreme. Nobody but nobody has made more sarcastic comments than you OG. You,re a master at it...
KTM, Kudos Dave and even Derf have attempted to see point from remainers side. Personally think you,ve ruined atmosphere on this thread, nearly every argument/ insult can be traced back to your blinkered , self righteous sarcasm.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hypocrit.

Are you? ah well it takes all sorts doesn't it, but remember you said that not me.

 

[RobF]

Does he have your permission to breathe, Brendan? and just who are you to make sarcastic judgements like that?
Do attempt to make an effort to post with less arrogance if at all possible.

Less arrogance?

That's another comical one coming from you.

Each of your many and over-long posts on this thread have been nothing more than a patronising lecture delivered from a standpoint of 'I know best and you are all stupid'.

Of course, neither is true, but I admire you determination to keep saying it over and over in the forlorn hope of making it so.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hypocrit....tto the extreme. Nobody but nobody has made more sarcastic comments than you OG. You,re a master at it...

Sarcasm as in telling the truth and pointing at things that you don't agree with
"Guilty as charged your honour!
The defendant accepts the charge and asked for hundreds of other charges of the same nature to be taken into account when sentence is carried out"
Or words to that effect.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Sarcasm as in telling the truth and pointing at things that you don't agree with
"Guilty as charged your honour!
The defendant accepts the charge and asked for hundreds of other charges of the same nature to be taken into account when sentence is carried out"
Or words to that effect.

You don't have a monopoly on truth OG. You,vr insulted folk throughout and hijacked the thread not with salient opinions but sheer volume and self righteousness, still demonstrated in your last post.
The only quality you bring is sheer dogmatic persistence in the belief you are right.
You are incapable of disagreeing with an opinion without being sarcastic or insulting.
Its every post you make OG.

 

[oldgroaner]

Less arrogance?

That's another comical one coming from you.

Each of your many and over-long posts on this thread have been nothing more than a patronising lecture delivered from a standpoint of 'I know best and you are all stupid'.

Of course, neither is true, but I admire you determination to keep saying it over and over in the forlorn hope of making it so.

Patronising, me? I am wounded I say and deeply so, after all the effort I put in to use simple words easily understood, this is the thanks I get?
And the posts were overlong? there you do have a valid point, as I should have given more consideration to the attention span of some of the likely audience.
After all I never actually said at any point that 52% of the voters were stupid, I said they were misled.
However, it's a case of "If the cap fits wear it" and if my comments have made you feel stupid, that isn't my fault is it?

 

[oldgroaner]

You don't have a monopoly on truth OG. You,vr insulted folk throughout and hijacked the thread not with salient opinions but sheer volume and self righteousness, still demonstrated in your last post.

No Flud I haven't insulted anyone, though I will agree it they have tried to make a fool of themselves I should have tried harder to help them not to.

 

[Kudoscycles]

We are not going to be able to keep this pace of conversation whilst Brexit,or otherwise,unfolds.
No politician is going to reveal their true self until the PM contest is over and a decent time afterwards.
Theresa May has to appear a Brexit with a bit of Remain to win the PM election,what is her real agenda only time will tell,it will probably be revealed long after we have stopped this thread,or maybe it will be 'thread revisited'
But the immediate problem,not based upon Brexit,more based upon uncertainty is how to deal with this weak £. I am tempted to keep prices the same and hope it 'repairs' sooner rather than later.
Kudos e-bikes will stay at the same prices for 2016, the new products are due in this week,there are a lot of back orders to satisfy.
Who knows what Theresa May morphs into,it looks certain that she will be our new PM,only she will decide what direction Brexit or otherwise will take and when we will go in that direction.
KudosDave

 

[derf]

And we wonder why the NHS is in trouble, is there any chance you could concentrate on the patients or if that's not your job please stop posting while you are pushing the trolley

actually the time i take to post is formally part of time out in a job description in which i do more than its 37.5 weekly hours. Anyhieuw Brendan, I will leave you to the parrallel universe you inhabit in which you launch personal attacks on everyone, dont read anything, assume superior knowledge on almost any subject, about which you certainly dont appear to know much.

 

[RobF]

[QUOTE="Kudoscycles, post: 316314, member: 5492"
Who knows what Theresa May morphs into,it looks certain that she will be our new PM,only she will decide what direction Brexit or otherwise will take and when we will go in that direction.
KudosDave[/QUOTE]

Dave,

The prime minister, whoever it is, can not decide 'Brexit or otherwise' - that decision has already been taken.

You are clinging to the notion Brexit can somehow be undone, but practically that isn't going to happen.

Look at things another way, if he had voted remain and I was on here bleating about advisory referenda and parliament could still take us out, what would you say?

You would probably tell me it's a done deal, old son, best get on with it.

 

[trex]

it's never a done deal in politics. That's why you vote isn't it?

 

[Kudoscycles]

[QUOTE="Kudoscycles, post: 316314, member: 5492"
Who knows what Theresa May morphs into,it looks certain that she will be our new PM,only she will decide what direction Brexit or otherwise will take and when we will go in that direction.
KudosDave

Dave,

The prime minister, whoever it is, can not decide 'Brexit or otherwise' - that decision has already been taken.

You are clinging to the notion Brexit can somehow be undone, but practically that isn't going to happen.

Look at things another way, if he had voted remain and I was on here bleating about advisory referenda and parliament could still take us out, what would you say?

You would probably tell me it's a done deal, old son, best get on with it.[/QUOTE]

If history is anything to go by,I don't think any of the referendums pertaining to the EU were ever acted upon by their respective parliaments.
Didn't the Danes have a referendum,that was ignored by their parliament
The Greeks had a referendum,that was ignored by parliament the following week!
The Irish had a referendum that didn't go the way of the EU ,so they renegotiated (gave them more money) and they voted the way the EU wanted the following year.
I think there are others,but not one was ultimately acted upon to the vote of the people,why should our referendum be any different?
This referendum will be soon forgotten,I understand that several of the major Italian banks are about to go bust,thank goodness we are not in the Euro,a new crisis will deflect conversations.
KudosDave

 

[trex]

it seems to me that brexiters already know that next time people vote on this issue, the result won't go their way.

 

[flecc]

If history is anything to go by,I don't think any of the referendums pertaining to the EU were ever acted upon by their respective parliaments.
Didn't the Danes have a referendum,that was ignored by their parliament
The Greeks had a referendum,that was ignored by parliament the following week!
The Irish had a referendum that didn't go the way of the EU ,so they renegotiated (gave them more money) and they voted the way the EU wanted the following year.
I think there are others,but not one was ultimately acted upon to the vote of the people,why should our referendum be any different?
KudosDave

Indeed, the only one that was ever acted on was the one that was almost meaningless. The Norwegian government asked their people if they wanted to take the final step into the EU, but they said no. So they were left in their "almost in" position.
.

 

[trex]

BBC: Leadsom is to quit the PM race in a moment.
She is the last tory brexit leader to leave the ship.

 

[derf]

BBC: Leadsom is to quit the PM race in a moment.
She is the last tory brexit leader to leave the ship.

hallebloodyluja! in the sense that a rudderless ship is better than one bent on self destruction