Nice sidestep, but how about back to the facts and opinion count, just read your own post, it's proof enough of what is clear distortion and yes lies, and for what
I can only assume very poor losers,
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I can only assume very poor losers,
Arron Banks, the multimillionaire behind Leave.EU, cheerfully attributed his campaign’s success to the mantra “facts don’t work”. Speaking after his referendum triumph, he said: “The Remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It doesn’t work. You’ve got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.
You can read the full thing here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/in-a-world-of-post-truth-politics-andrea-leadsom-will-make-the-p/
Essentially if you've voted leave, you've been played, and the leaders knew it and are all in hiding, and the people who funded it are now admitting it.
You can read the full thing here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/in-a-world-of-post-truth-politics-andrea-leadsom-will-make-the-p/
Essentially if you've voted leave, you've been played, and the leaders knew it and are all in hiding, and the people who funded it are now admitting it.
I don't know what's worse,a UK with trump styled politics or realising one shares an island with nearly 17 million souls who fall for that kind of crap.
Theres a new Brexit Lie today! Project Smear
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Theresa May would 'BETRAY' Brexit, Ukip backer Arron Banks slams PM candidate
THERESA MAY leading the country will be "the death of Brexit by a thousand cuts", a key Ukip backer has claimed.
Arron Banks, who is supporting Andrea Leadsom in the battle for No 10, has warned Mrs May will attempt to betray the referendum result.
The millionaire businessman also said the government had moved from "Project Fear to Project Smear" over the way it had targeted Mrs Leadsom.
Speaking to Andrew Marr on BBC 1 he said: "Let’s be clear I have had absolutely no contact with Andrea Leadsom and her team.
"What I do fear is Theresa May… which would be the death of Brexit by a thousand cuts."
When asked by Marr whether she would "betray" the referendum, Mr Banks, tipped as a potential leader of Ukip, said "absolutely".
Well now what a nice man.
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Theresa May would 'BETRAY' Brexit, Ukip backer Arron Banks slams PM candidate
THERESA MAY leading the country will be "the death of Brexit by a thousand cuts", a key Ukip backer has claimed.
Arron Banks, who is supporting Andrea Leadsom in the battle for No 10, has warned Mrs May will attempt to betray the referendum result.
The millionaire businessman also said the government had moved from "Project Fear to Project Smear" over the way it had targeted Mrs Leadsom.
Speaking to Andrew Marr on BBC 1 he said: "Let’s be clear I have had absolutely no contact with Andrea Leadsom and her team.
"What I do fear is Theresa May… which would be the death of Brexit by a thousand cuts."
When asked by Marr whether she would "betray" the referendum, Mr Banks, tipped as a potential leader of Ukip, said "absolutely".
Well now what a nice man.
Have you forgotten you posted this? #1714
"The views expressed are my own, from my logic, reasoning and experience
Not facts, as you would like to have I appreciate,"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4aa912fa-4423-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html
Here then is your cut-out-and-keep guide - the Brexcuses - if you hit the paywall:
As the UK moves steadily towards its date with Brexit one can already sense the efforts of the Leave campaigners trying to dodge blame for any of the shocks ahead. Rather than own the result, leading advocates are building up alibis in case the outcome is less fabulous than they assured voters it would be. Here then is your cut-out-and-keep guide - the Brexcuses - for Leavers on why things went wrong, just in case they do.
1) The civil service let us down by not planning for Brexit. I can’t believe the government didn’t have contingency plans for the fact that the Leave campaign didn’t have any. What kind of government leaves important issues like the future of the country to people like us? All we said is that we wanted to leave; why does that make figuring out where to go our job? It was the government’s responsibility to deliver on our promises. If they fail to do so, it can hardly be our fault.
2) No one at the wheel. When we said we wanted to take back control, we obviously meant that figuratively. It didn’t mean we don’t want to delegate.
3) Angry Remain campaigners talked down the country. This panicked us into an economic downturn which would undoubtedly have been avoided if they had not insisted on pointing out news which appeared to suggest they were right. Their selfish inability to admit they were wrong ensured that they were proved right, at great cost to the country.
4) The lefty media. By reporting daily on the sterling sell-off instead of hushing it up, the metropolitan elite in the mainstream media let down the public by telling them things they are better off not knowing. This also alerted currency speculators to things they would not otherwise have noticed. The media failed in its moral duty not to report unwelcome news.
5) George Osborne spooked markets. By not appearing in the first days after the vote to reassure markets, the chancellor let Britain down.
6) Mark Carney spooked markets. By making too many regular appearances designed to calm nerves, the governor of the Bank of England let Britain down. Did we mention he used to work for Goldman Sachs?
7) David Cameron should never have resigned. The Leave campaign always made clear that it wanted him to stay on to lead the exit negotiations even though his last negotiations were a catastrophic failure and in spite of our warnings that he had absolutely no credibility any more.
8) Blame Boris. He left the detailed plans for how to manage Brexit on the bus.
9) Blame Boris some more. We had thought that the lean and hungry sharp-suited Boris Johnson was the man to lead our country but it turned out that we confused him with someone else and that the real Boris Johnson was in fact a large blond bumbler with no idea.
10) Greedy bankers. The ordinary decent citizens of this country were let down by greedy bankers, who put their own welfare ahead of that of people they had never met at the other end of the country. There was no way we could have known they would be seduced abroad by the lure of higher profits and salaries.
11) The French. We thought they’d be more British about this, accept the democratic outcome and work with us to make the best of it. Instead of being British about this; they insisted on being all French and spent the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme plotting ways to steal lucrative business from London.
12) The Germans. We really thought they would help us more this time. We’ve always been able to count on Angela Merkel in the past.
13) Cowardly employers. Craven businesses failed to show faith in the country by continuing to hire people to do jobs they no longer needed.
14) Foreigners let Britain down. Refusing to accept the democratic vote of the British people, foreigners moved their investment elsewhere, thereby failing to all pull together to make the best of it.
15) Immigrants. Are you thinking what we’re thinking?
16) Experts. We needed better experts than those we are fed up listening to.
17) We are all in this together now. So it’s as much their fault as ours.
18) We weren’t supposed to win. It never occurred to us that Remain would be so incompetent. Remain should have run a better campaign.
Here then is your cut-out-and-keep guide - the Brexcuses - if you hit the paywall:
As the UK moves steadily towards its date with Brexit one can already sense the efforts of the Leave campaigners trying to dodge blame for any of the shocks ahead. Rather than own the result, leading advocates are building up alibis in case the outcome is less fabulous than they assured voters it would be. Here then is your cut-out-and-keep guide - the Brexcuses - for Leavers on why things went wrong, just in case they do.
1) The civil service let us down by not planning for Brexit. I can’t believe the government didn’t have contingency plans for the fact that the Leave campaign didn’t have any. What kind of government leaves important issues like the future of the country to people like us? All we said is that we wanted to leave; why does that make figuring out where to go our job? It was the government’s responsibility to deliver on our promises. If they fail to do so, it can hardly be our fault.
2) No one at the wheel. When we said we wanted to take back control, we obviously meant that figuratively. It didn’t mean we don’t want to delegate.
3) Angry Remain campaigners talked down the country. This panicked us into an economic downturn which would undoubtedly have been avoided if they had not insisted on pointing out news which appeared to suggest they were right. Their selfish inability to admit they were wrong ensured that they were proved right, at great cost to the country.
4) The lefty media. By reporting daily on the sterling sell-off instead of hushing it up, the metropolitan elite in the mainstream media let down the public by telling them things they are better off not knowing. This also alerted currency speculators to things they would not otherwise have noticed. The media failed in its moral duty not to report unwelcome news.
5) George Osborne spooked markets. By not appearing in the first days after the vote to reassure markets, the chancellor let Britain down.
6) Mark Carney spooked markets. By making too many regular appearances designed to calm nerves, the governor of the Bank of England let Britain down. Did we mention he used to work for Goldman Sachs?
7) David Cameron should never have resigned. The Leave campaign always made clear that it wanted him to stay on to lead the exit negotiations even though his last negotiations were a catastrophic failure and in spite of our warnings that he had absolutely no credibility any more.
8) Blame Boris. He left the detailed plans for how to manage Brexit on the bus.
9) Blame Boris some more. We had thought that the lean and hungry sharp-suited Boris Johnson was the man to lead our country but it turned out that we confused him with someone else and that the real Boris Johnson was in fact a large blond bumbler with no idea.
10) Greedy bankers. The ordinary decent citizens of this country were let down by greedy bankers, who put their own welfare ahead of that of people they had never met at the other end of the country. There was no way we could have known they would be seduced abroad by the lure of higher profits and salaries.
11) The French. We thought they’d be more British about this, accept the democratic outcome and work with us to make the best of it. Instead of being British about this; they insisted on being all French and spent the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme plotting ways to steal lucrative business from London.
12) The Germans. We really thought they would help us more this time. We’ve always been able to count on Angela Merkel in the past.
13) Cowardly employers. Craven businesses failed to show faith in the country by continuing to hire people to do jobs they no longer needed.
14) Foreigners let Britain down. Refusing to accept the democratic vote of the British people, foreigners moved their investment elsewhere, thereby failing to all pull together to make the best of it.
15) Immigrants. Are you thinking what we’re thinking?
16) Experts. We needed better experts than those we are fed up listening to.
17) We are all in this together now. So it’s as much their fault as ours.
18) We weren’t supposed to win. It never occurred to us that Remain would be so incompetent. Remain should have run a better campaign.
was listening to wesminster hour on radio 4 lat night and one of teh interviewees said something obvious, but to me interesting: essentially the UK - who's electorate isnt predominantly far right - now, as a result of cameron's attempt to appease his party's right wing - has a choice between two fairly extreme right wing leaders (rememeber May's politcies when home secretary).
derf, why do you continually get the letters mixed in the short word - the?
The odd typo I can understand but you manage it every time.
Just wondering.
The odd typo I can understand but you manage it every time.
Just wondering.
uk politics is usually dominated by Oxbridge. Brexit changes that. We may now have Leadsom for PM. Kind of funny to see the proletariat voting for an ex-banker.
More than 1000 barristers say referendum is not binding:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-over-1000-barristers-sign-letter-saying-eu-referendum-vote-not-legally-binding-1569919
More than 1000 barristers say referendum is not binding:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-over-1000-barristers-sign-letter-saying-eu-referendum-vote-not-legally-binding-1569919
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apologies, i'm at work, the new hot management solution where i work is hot desking, this means running around betwene seeing patients and booting ten year old desktops with very little life left in them, hammering out a message and running off again, it makes for typos unfortunately
in a perverse way, I'd like that idiotic Leadsom to win, just to see her making a fool of herself on a world stage. That may hasten fresh election before the real brexit.
I feel for you, hot desking I would hate. I believe Hewlett Packard started this idea to reduce size of the new office being built, thinking most of the day the desks were void of people.
Never thought what happens when they all return. Must be like a rugby scrum, how entertaining.
[QUOTE="KTM Bike Industries UK, post: 316232, member: 8115
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/in-a-world-of-post-truth-politics-andrea-leadsom-will-make-the-p/
Essentially if you've voted leave, you've been played, and the leaders knew it and are all in hiding, and the people who funded it are now admitting it.[/QUOTE]
I am absolutely flabbergasted you can read such a one sided conclusion from that article which was well written, balanced and I agree with.
He has even pointed out people's ability to only see what they want to see, which is exactly what you have just done for your own purposes to have another pop at the leavers
Now frankly you are either taking the **** or you have taken leave of your senses. If I were you I would read it again for the sake of your sanity
All you have to do, is wherever brexiters is mentioned just insert a relavent remainers phrase and you will see the message still stands true and completely slants the other way
Just another manipulation of facts to suit your purposes, and how so much better it sounds when you can use a world renowned expert journalist to do your speaking for you
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/in-a-world-of-post-truth-politics-andrea-leadsom-will-make-the-p/
Essentially if you've voted leave, you've been played, and the leaders knew it and are all in hiding, and the people who funded it are now admitting it.[/QUOTE]
I am absolutely flabbergasted you can read such a one sided conclusion from that article which was well written, balanced and I agree with.
He has even pointed out people's ability to only see what they want to see, which is exactly what you have just done for your own purposes to have another pop at the leavers
Now frankly you are either taking the **** or you have taken leave of your senses. If I were you I would read it again for the sake of your sanity
All you have to do, is wherever brexiters is mentioned just insert a relavent remainers phrase and you will see the message still stands true and completely slants the other way
Just another manipulation of facts to suit your purposes, and how so much better it sounds when you can use a world renowned expert journalist to do your speaking for you
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OG, as I am sure you know as an intelligent man, if not an honest one. I was referring to the posters reference to hard facts which were nothing of the sort but just opinions. I can cope with a persons opinions, we all have them and if backed up with reasoning can be just as credible if not more than so called facts which are always selective and usually one sided
What I find abhorrent is when a person tries to add some profound credibility to his opinions by giving them the label facts
This is just poor arguement ment to deceive, or by people that don't have the intellect to know the difference
I completely agree with your latest sentiment
And since I have told the truth without varying from it, who are you referring to as "if not an honest one."
Is that a confession by any chance?
You've jumped to a massive conclusion, and not understood my post.
If we'd voted remain, there would as pointed out by the article i quoted also been a good % of people who'd been mislead by the spin of the campaign.
This was the problem, the facts were lost, ignored or consider irrelevant.
And we wonder why the NHS is in trouble, is there any chance you could concentrate on the patients or if that's not your job please stop posting while you are pushing the trolley
So if it was an intelligent point you were trying to make, which is what I read into the article ( even though it was anti Brexit) why start your post with the inflammatory phrase
Essentially if you voted leave, you've been played
This is the kind of post that turns this thread into school ground arguement